--- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My opinion is that matter is very real and that
> > > > > the illusion is the
> > > > > concept that matter and spirit are separate.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alex
> > 
> > Alex, since it's only an opinion, it means you are not
> > very sure, therefore it's not knowingness. Something 
> > real must delivered as knowingness to the observer 
> > otherwise it means it's not really
> > real to him.
> >  
> > :) <.> / ; \
> 
> The reason I stated it as an opinion is that it is not currently 
the
> truth of my awareness. I.e., I'm not awakened. Or, even so-called
> awakened.
> 
> This idea shot into my head like a bolt of lightning during one of
> the large group meetings at the Waking Down retreat in Estes Park 
in
> May. I really bristle at hypermasculine notions of maya, where
> worldly existence and pleasures are denigrated, denied, and 
devalued
> as being somehow less "spiritual", the Spirit-Matter Split, as 
Saniel
> Bonder calls it. And, in light of the Waking Down perspective that 
we
> are a paradoxical divine marriage of finite and infinite, as 
equals,
> it hit me that the illusion is not matter, but the concept that
> matter and spirit are separate. I mentioned it to Saniel, and he
> replied with an emphatic "YES!"
> 
> Alex >>>

Except that modern science shows that there is nothing but energy 
fields and that sub-atomic particles are energy coagulations and not 
billiard balls. The mind creates the illusion of matter. Physical is 
a convenient and enjoyable illusion.




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