--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One of the assumptions that I was talking 
> > about previously that we have all been spoon fed is that because a 
> > culture is deep inland it must have been be sea-faring inept. This 
> > is unlikely since Tibetans travelled far and wide. Buddhism 
> > naturally spread across Tibet and China for the sole reason that 
> > they were not really distinct and travelled with ease. 
> 
> They traveled much further than that.  There are huge
> outposts of Tibetan culture in Mongolia and Manchuria
> and Russia, and evidence that Tibetans once inhabited
> areas of the Pyrennes.  Traveling to spread the dharma
> is what they *did*.  Suggesting that they traveled to
> North America is certainly not out of the question.
> 
> The possible link between the Hopis and the Navajos
> has been suggested by many people, including the Dalai
> Lama.  I don't know whether it has been established
> or not physically (via DNA tests), but if you knew
> Tibetan culture that wouldn't even be necessary. They
> have tales of whole monasteries or villages picking up 
> and "migrating" to another place en masse, via mass
> reincarnation.
>

Here are some links to photos of Navajos and Hopis from the vast
collection in The North American Indian by Edward S. Curtis 

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/curt:@field([EMAIL 
PROTECTED](Hopi+Indians.))

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/curt:@field([EMAIL 
PROTECTED](Navajo+Indians.))

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On the DNA question, I wondered about this regarding verification of
all of the ancient traveler scenarios cited in the various posts and
articles. Since it appears many if not most explorer and settlers
breed (willingly or forcefully) with native populations, wouldn't DNA
testing verify (or refute) these scenarios?  Or are DNA markers too
generalized and diffuse to accurately pinpoint, for example, tibetan
or chinese settlers in North America?

Re the chinese and pre-columbian visits or settlements to North
America scenarios, I wonder if the 19th century migration of chinese
to the california gold rush, and towork on the railroads etc, and
generally second class status and exploitation, relates to prior
chinese activity in NA. 

  




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