--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Your idea of statistically proving that dreams predict the > > > > future is excellent. > > > > > > John, just as an exercise in challenging previously- > > > unchallenged assumptions, why would you *want* to > > > predict the future? > > > > > > I mean, where's the fun in that? > > > > > > I've never been able to become the least bit interested > > > in astrology or Jytoish or palmistry or reading tea > > > leaves or any other predictive technology that can sup- > > > posedly "predict the future." I simply do not see > > > the fuckin' point. > > > > > > I want the future to be a *surprise*, man. I want it to > > > fill me with awe and jumpstart my sense of mystery and > > > make me go "Whoa! I never saw *that* coming." > > > > > > That is what the essence of life *IS* for me. Why would > > > I ever want to *spoil* that by "seeing the future?" Big > > > whoop. > > > > > > The best that can happen is that you've spoiled fuckin' > > > Christmas, man, and X-rayed the packages to find out > > > what they contain before opening them. Where's the fun > > > in that? The worst that can happen is that you buy into > > > a self-fulfilling prophecy such that you cause to happen > > > what you've been told "will" happen. Again, big whoop. > > > > > > I fully agree with you that keeping a Dream Journal can > > > be a very useful thing, but for a completely different > > > reason. Dreams tend to be hard to remember when you wake > > > up. Keeping a Journal of them that you write in immedi- > > > ately after waking can help you to remember them. > > > > > > But digging through them for "symbols," and trying to > > > "analyze" them to "discern the future?" Just not my idea > > > of fun. If it's yours, I wish you well with that. > > > > The more you know the more successful you are in accomplishing > > your objectives. Jyotish can do this. But most of all, it helps > > you understand yourself and the cosmos. > > Don't you mean "it helps you to *convince yourself* > that you 'understand' yourself and the cosmos?" I do > not personally believe that anyone in history has ever > 'understood' the cosmos, and never will. That's the > stuff of ego and hubris, and not my interest. If it's > yours, more power to ya.
How do you know that what you believe is true? If you don't know, then your belief is foolish! If you know, then who is your authority? If it's you yourself, then why should we believe you? > > > Dreams can also help you determine what Nature is trying to > > tell you. > > Again, to rephrase, "dreams can help to convince you > that you 'understand' what you believe nature is > trying to tell you." You answer my question about > unchallenged assumptions with more unchallenged > assumptions, John. This one involves a sentient > "Nature" that is "trying to tell you something." > Since I don't believe in a sentient Nature, I am > not terribly interested in what it has to "tell me." > But again, if that's your idea of a fun time, go > for it. > > <snip fairytale story of Daniel that John doesn't > seem to realize is not history> My questions above apply here too. >
