--I have experienced myself, many times, the effect of meditating when others are around, and have noticed that the "atmosphere" does calm down, and generally gets quieter. I have also noticed that when meditating with someone, this effect increases, as well as my experience is deepened. I don't find it difficult to understand, why or how this happens. Everything has a vibration: haven't you noticed that when there is an accident, or when something violent happens, it effects the populous, and has the effect of stirring things up and creating fear. Why is it so hard to understand how the opposite could be true. That if you could place within a closed system, a population, filled with fear, limited perception, and judgement, violence, and lack or moral conviction, a presence of a vibration, of peace and integrity, and perception of the finest aspects of creation, don't you think this would effect the whole, by raising the vibration of the whole. It is an open system on the level of consciousness, in that you can have 5,000,000,000 thinking the same stupid thing, feeling the same stupid fear, and have one person, with a different vibration, added to the mass, which would change the whole thing...
- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > <snip> > > -----This is an important perception and it goes straight to the > heart of the idea of creation of "coherence in collective > consciousness" (a phrase which has no objective reality, based as it > is upon the analogies derived from thermodynamics, which don't even > pertain to open systems such as life). But if one does posit a > collective consciousness, either through experience, or some other > consideration, then one can ask the question, can one create > coherence in a system while remaining separate from that system? > > > <snip> > The point is, can one create coherence in collective consciousness > if one obscures the obvious and seeks to separate oneself from the > world at large? > > > <snip> > I cannot see any scenario, and cannot understand any situation > where perception of life can be improved which does not entail > concurrent aculturalization to foreign conceptual frames of > reference. > <snip> > My point again, I find it hard to imagine any possibility where > doing TM can create objective results, personally or collectively, > even if one experiences such as self evident. Moreover, regarding > such things as the Raaj Raam coronation, I cannot even remotely > consider a cross-cultural, or collective consciousness, possibility > where it could have an effect <snip>. > > > > A quality piece of writing, and you even managed in this > intellectual dissertation to say 'fuck' at least once! > > First, how are you defining a system? Given that we live in an > orderly universe (galaxies in order, planets in orbit, etc.), there > are an infinite number of interconnected systems. So it is > impossible to truly isolate one system from another. There is always > a 'bleed over' effect. > > Then you say, "I cannot see any scenario, and cannot understand any > situation where perception of life can be improved which does not > entail concurrent aculturalization to foreign conceptual frames of > reference." > > I agree, yet who says we have to be aware when our aculturalization > to something previously unknown occurs? It is like feeling tense, > and then walking into a perfumed garden. The garden, whether we > accept it or not, whether we understand it or are aware of its > direct influence, changes us. There is not much thought or ego > involved in the process. It just happens. > > I don't believe that we must understand something or accept it to be > forever changed by it. Your question regarding the practice of TM > being able to bring about a macro effect of world enlightenment > through its practice? Who knows. > > Does it work? Will it work? Is it working? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
