-- In [email protected], ditzyklanmail <carc...@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FaXD_igv4 > A cute little interview with Deepak and Richard : )
That was excellent. Here is a longer debate with Sam Harris where he nails Deepak on the same thing. It would be great to find the symposium footage where Maharishi got nailed for this kind of physics sounding mumbo jumbo by a visiting physicist. I forget his name. Max Planck? He kept calling Maharishi on the his attempt to equate of the vacuum state with consciousness. Once he sniffed out that Maharishi was attempting to use it as more than a metaphor and was trying to usurp the creditability of quantum mechanics for his own pet assertions he got quite heated about it. It was the only time I saw Maharishi called out for intellectual dishonesty by a guy who would not back down. The other time when he was called out but the guy did back down was when Johnathan Sheer called him on the assertion that the state of Pure Consciousness can be logically inferred from the other three. "Then you must change your logic" was the effective thought stopper which silenced Johnathan from trained philosopher to drooling sycophant. The use of the bogus proof by metaphor is a common feature of people who were trained in this style of conflation by Maharishi. I was a big fan of it myself when I was a believer and the whole educational model of MIU made much use of it. The shame is that using metaphors to illustrate things proven by other means is a great teaching technique. What erodes its educational value is this attempt to blur the line between metaphor and identity and especially the con artist trick of using sciency sounding terms to lend creditability to baseless assertions. Chopra learned from the Master well. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vaj <vajradh...@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 29 March, 2010 7:38:14 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and > Jean Houston > > > From Gina over at TM-Free > > Many former TMers knew Deepak Chopra, his split with Maharishi, then Chopra's > repackaging of Maharishi's programs in a slightly more mainstream package for > his own financial gain. > > Deepak Chopra is now more of a household name than Maharishi ever was, thus > ABC invited him to a discussion on spirituality. > > Nightline's description of this show : > > The "Face-Off" is a recurring series where opposing sides debate hot topics. > In the sixth installment of the series, Deepak Chopra, a physician and > best-selling author of "How to Know God," and prominent scholar, philosopher > and writer Jean Houston, will face-off against Michael Shermer, founding > publisher of "Skeptic" magazine, and Sam Harris, author of "The End of Faith" > on the tension between God and science." > > Gina's comments on the show: > > This conversation between critical thinkers with Chopra could just as easily > have taken place with Maharishi. > In this conversation, Chopra mouthes MMY's teachings, sometimes word for word. > Coming from the same Hindu tradition, the Indian accent, and MMY's > pseudo-science jargon, Chopra inadvertently provides good comedy for those > familiar with Maharishi. > > Chopra speaks circuitous non-sense which can cause a hypnotic effect for > vulnerable listeners. > We've seen the hypnotic effect work with True Believers listening to > Maharishi. > > Chopra responds to discussion of the history of diety and sociology of > religion with vague circuitous monologues on consciousness, inner experience > and (undefined) quantum mechanics. This sounds so familiar! > > Many of us know the futility of conducting these same conversations with TM > or New Age True Believers! > (thus successful exit-counseling, "deprogramming, " requires a professional) > > Per Sam Harris talking to Chopra : > "Sprinkling in a bunch of scientific terms with New Age terminology does not > make it scientific." > Harris also states that Chopra's merging of New Age philosophy with > scientific terminology is neither scientific nor spiritual. > > Unfortunately, True Believers listening to this show would merely state that > critics of Chopra or Maharishi are "lost in the darkness of ignorance." > > It's fascinating to watch Chopra spew the fluff, and become angry when > confronted with analysis of his teachings. > > This Nightline show may be watched by clicking : > "Does God Have a Future" The Nightline Face-Off > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ >
