Christ on a crutch! The next thing they're going to ask for is the vote. Nag,nag,nag,nag. Can't a man have some peace at all?
--- Ingegerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you. I have very strong feelings about this > subject. It should > be a balance between the masculine and the feminine > in every aspect > in society. And equal rights. > Ingegerd > . > --- In [email protected], "claudiouk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I think this question about women in the Movement > is very > > interesting - after all, a similar issue is about > to split the > Church > > of England! Women in Catholicism & Islam also have > an uphill > struggle > > for recognition against ossified culturally- > determined "traditions". > > And yet "physiologically" the critical issue (for > TMO)in terms of > > spirituality, is the "consciousness-supporting" > physiology, > > not "sexual reproduction", which rests at a very > superficial level > of > > reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, > female brains are > > different, but actually are less "thing" and > "action" dominated, as > > with males, and more "person" and "feeling" > orientaded - so if > > anything, more "holistic" in character. Nothing > here to suggest > that > > female spirituality would be any the less "real", > "substantial" > etc. > > Personally, I have two daughters who are "gold > standards" of > > spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is > amazing that one of > the > > motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, > is the prospect > of > > enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap > Paradise this is - > > what if the virgins don't want this sexual > encounter to happen? > What > > value is sexual satisfaction compared to the > subline encounter with > > the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in > this! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and > his TMO have > towards > > > women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the > West, that have > > fought > > > for womens rights and is still fighting, it is > like stepping back > > > centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. > Not in Burka, but > in > > > Saris. It is incredible that women from > different countries don't > > > wear dresses from their own countries, but all > dress in Saris in > > > Mother Divine - and International Courses and so > on. It is like > an > > > uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak > about variety, > and > > > how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in > our own Country. > To > > > value the Culture that we have in our own > Countries. Because the > > > Natural Laws worked different in different > countries. If you look > > at > > > the pictures from Global County, the variety is > gone. > > > To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and > 70ths, it was both > > men > > > and women running the TMO around the world, with > success. Now it > is > > > only men... > > > When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some > years ago, I was > > > working with Brahmans. When they met me, they > had long serious > > > discussions about how to treat me, because I was > from the West,I > > was > > > a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat > me as a Whore or > > > Madonna, because we were supposed to held > courses together. I had > > all > > > the odds against me. At last they decided - > Madonna. So I lived > > with > > > those guys at their premises, watching my step > every hour in 6 > > > months, happy to know that this was only a > temporary situation. > > Now, > > > it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a > lasting situation with > > the > > > women in the background, very humble and silent > - it is just > > terrible. > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "L B > Shriver" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], > "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], > off_world_beings > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > <<(I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked > about > > > > > > this, not even the smattering of women > here. > > > > > > I didn't start thinking about it until > just > > > > > > recently. The only mention of the > nonexistent > > > > > > participation of women was when we noted > the > > > > > > original "Raja So-and-So and Wife" titles > on > > > > > > the photos of the couples, and the > subsequent > > > > > > removal even of this reference to the > women.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone here is very blasie about this > now, and it has > been > > > posted > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here > > > > > from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, > > > > > and I haven't seen a word except the > comments > > > > > about the wives not being named in the > photos. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not even talking about the *political* > > > > > aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and > > > > > MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking > about > > > > > the practical effect of the absence of the > > > > > feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of > > > > > whatever effect *they're* supposed to have > on > > > > > world consciousness. > > > > > > > > ****** > > > > > > > > Your observations and question seem perfectly > reasonable to me. > I > > > think the crux of the > > > > answer lies in your own words: "Â…whatever > effect they're > supposed > > > to have on world > > > > consciousness". > > > > > > > > Personally, I think there's not much to worry > about in terms of > > the > > > movement's effects on > > > > world consciousness, because I don't see it > having much of an > > > effect at this point. > > > > > > > > [Not a trick question:] Do you see the > movement having any > > > significant effect on world > > > > consciousness at the moment? If not at this > time, === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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