--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I do not know if the Atwill hypothesis is correct, but I do 
like 
> to ask -- "Cui bono?" -- "Who benefits?" and generally find this 
leads 
> to useful ideas or insights in things as diverse as 9/11, the 
London 
> bombings (nicely timed to distract from the G8 issues and put the 
> focus back on terrorism), and Christianity itself, which nicely 
> channelled previously-rebellious, anti-Roman Messianic 
expectations 
> into pro-Roman, "quisling" Messianic fervor.
> 
> -----In fact the very concept deserves much more consideration in 
light of the exact same empire of America in bed with fundamentalist 
Christian thought.  the irony is so apparent considering that the 
original Christians were slaves, former slaves, outcastes and their 
kith and kin, ie., all those who were not valued by the Roman 
empire. 

Not sure this is entirely true -- Atwill points out a number of 
Flavians mentioned by name in the New Testament as "believers." 
Xianity may well have been the "pet religion" of the Flavians, just 
as other emperors had created other religions to keep the masses in 
line. Of course, if all this is true, the chances are a large number 
of the Flavians were probably "in on the joke" perpetuated by their 
adopted son Josephus (whom some have identified as the Apostle Paul 
himself!).

>Then what happened?  The Empire moved to incorporate the myth and 
>the disenfranchised peoples. Now what is happening, the myth and 
disenfranchised peoples are running the whole show.  It's a real 
turnabout, but not really.  Those Christians who are siding with 
Bush are the dupes of the entire sordid and inconceivably huge 
conspiratorial Roman motion to quell dissent and discontent over 
1700 years ago. Only now has it finally really worked. The people 
call the Church and the Government their saviors.

Yes, we agree; (Fundamentalist) Christianity is serving Bush 
precisely as it did the Roman empire -- if Atwill is correct, 
serving precisely as it was designed to do all along. Interestingly, 
there is a strong chance that George W. Bush (as well as his distant 
cousin John Kerry, as well as millions of other Americans of royal 
descent) are descendants of those same Flavians -- though this 
particular lineage is not proven thoroughly ATM to my satisfaction, 
anyhow. (It *has* been proven though that those who descend from 
England's Edward III are direct descendants of Muhammed!) :-)





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