--- In [email protected], "wayback71" <waybac...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > Sounds like he is Americans as if they are Indians. Even in > > > Fairfield there would be a tremendous cultural gap. That's > > > another mistake would-be gurus from India frequently make. > > > > I think the accent thing is a help since we are much more adept > > at noticing gaps in logic when our conscious mind is not hung up > > on figuring out what is being said. While most of use could spot > > a televangelist routine in our own language, we give a foreign > > person a lot more leeway and most people don't like to appear > > culturally insensitive by challenging a foreign born speaker. > > So much of Maharishi's personal pettiness was just written off > > as part of his inscrutable Indianness. > > > > In some street cons the person purposely speaks too rapidly to > > follow until the person's eyes glaze over and they are given a > > direct command which due to brain overload they sometimes > > follow without reflection. > > > > So much of Maharishi's speech patterns were designed to overwhelm > > our mind's ability to analyze what he was saying. And if that > > didn't work he just wore us down with hours of speaking on > > abstract topics. > > > > There is an old saw from Neuro-Linguistic Programming that if > > you have been listening to someone for 5 minutes and you still > > haven't heard anything that you could put in a wheelbarrow, you > > are being hypnotized. State change language is not meant to > > inform, it is mean to shift you out of your conscious mind's > > usual organization. Depending on your beliefs in the person > > doing this shifting you would either consider this a good or a > > bad thing. But one thing for sure, your ability to apply the > > rules of reason gets impaired. > > This is really interesting stuff, Curtis. If youw were so > inclined, this could be a thesis or a really interesting book - > how language patterns are used in religions and by gurus, whether > intentional or not. And then there is the likelihood that > different brains are more or less susceptible to those language > patterns. Probably those of us who tend to be religious or > spiritual by nature are less inclined to analyze things or stay > rooted in logic.
I tend to agree with Curtis' theory, and have for years. It's the same monotone, sing-song speech pattern, pretty much no matter who the teacher is. I also agree with him that many of the people doing this are not consciously aware that they are doing it; they are just mimicking speech patterns that worked on *them*. Might I remind people of a quote from the "Braco" healer guy whose name came up here recently. According to his site, while you're waiting to have your individual session standing in front of him, during which he blasts you with his Woo Woo, he plays audio tapes, which everyone has to listen to while waiting for their turn. Here are *his* words (or the words of whichever of his followers wrote the website) on the subject: "Braco does not talk to his visitors, nor does he touch them or use any other form of nonverbal suggestion: He simply is gazing at them. ... When the groups are listening to Braco´s voice, Braco is not standing in front of them. Braco is not there, you will only listen to a tape, which has been recorded. But just to listen to the sound of his voice is enough to experience similar feelings, reactions and effects as the people do, when they are looking into Braco´s eyes."" Duh. Why do they feel a "hit" while he's gazing at him? They've been "state changed" first.
