In retrospect, Rick, inviting Ravi here was a stroke of genius. True, it undercuts the "value" that any discerning viewer might place in enlightenment or awakening or whatever one chooses to call it -- who, after all, could read this guy's words and want to turn out like him?
But taking an out-of-control shakti-junkie like this *out* of the BATGAP echo chamber and placing him in an environment in which few revere him -- or are tempted to -- just because of what he claims about his subjective experience has been instructive. If more people were more able to do this with the plethora of supposed spiritual teachers out there, there would be less abuse and fraud in the larger spiritual community. Ravi's a spiritual sociopath; he recognizes no one as "worthy" in any way unless they basically follow him and act as if they are his "disciples." That's the only kind of interaction he seems able to conceive of that is appropriate to his "achievement." In other words, he's like a pimply-faced rock star with a crack pipe and an IQ of 90 who has one hit record and starts thinking he's God Allfucking Mighty. THAT is an inter- esting thing for spiritual seekers to see, and hope- fully to learn from. All that seems to have happened when he got a little shakti running through him is that his already large ego got larger, more exclusive (as opposed to inclusive), and more abusive. And people are supposed to look at this in action and think, "Wow, so that's what enlightenment is like...gotta get me some of that?" More like, "If that's what enlightenment is like, I'm off the Brahman Bus today, and back to what my parents taught me, which is that who you are is demonstrated by what you *do* and what you *are*, not what you *say* about what you do and what you are." Notice how the referring to himself in third person thang goes away when he lashes out at those who don't treat him the way he'd like to become accustomed to being treated? No more "he" and "him" when referring to himself at that point...only "me" and "I" and "my." Was I right about the similarity to Jim Flanegin, or what? It's *exactly* the same "My POV on things is the only valid one, and if you disagree I have the absolute right to insult you. Me insulting you is *just* as enlightened as anything else I do." Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I have to agree with that last one. :-) --- In [email protected], Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.r...@...> wrote: > > Dear "yifuxero" piece of shit.... > > It doesn't matter what I say, you already are one of my "bottom > of the can" idiotic retarded wannabe thuggie disciple...LOL.. > join the queue after torky, sally, tartie, shukri, > freakybrain...you are the sixth... > > Ravi Chivukula is a hunter.....:-) > > His eyes are hypnotic....LOL.. > > You know how a lion catches its prey. It just locks its eyes > with its prey - the minute the prey looks at the lion, it is > frozen and all the lion has to do now is devour it. > > So you can run, you can hide, I will find you, look at you, > hypnotize you, devour you and give you moksha... > > P.S. I make a 6 figure salary that you can only dream of..so > you can come and lick my ass and I will pay you for that..LOL.... > > Love - Ravi. > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:15 PM, yifuxero <yifux...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > How about the Siddhi of controlled out of body travel. Can you do that? > > by "dreams", this term represents an entry point into a broader topic, such > > as Yoga Nidra (complete awareness during the sleep states), and then going > > onto lucid dreams, precognitive dreams; and most important: the Radiant Form > > of the Master. > > Since Ammachi is your Guru, I take it you have seen Her Radiant Form. By > > that I mean not a mere dream, but a totally mind-blowing Radiant, effulgent, > > Celestial form that is Beautiful beyond discription. > > You keep on saying...no, no, I don't have these types of awarenesses that > > are common among the Tibetan Rinpoches (such as complete conscious awareness > > during the sleep states); and the capacity to "Rise Above Bodily > > Consciousness", meeting up with various Spiritual Masters both living and > > physically dead. (the Siddhi common to genuine Sant Mat Saints). > > So, you have realized the Self. Everything is Being....OK; not a new > > message but an important one if one goes beyond the ordinary Neo-Advaitic > > message and states why such a realization is "important" (i.e. gives one > > some types of benefits). > > The next question would be why one would declare such as Self-attainment, > > if the achievement is only to end on the surface of your skin. (and thus, > > the need for hugging). > > I'm trying to grasp the situation here with BatGap but don't quite > > understand it. Bear with me a bit....(to summarize), let's start from page > > 1: > > 1. Going back to Sakyamuni Buddha and others such as St. Paul, various > > claims are made: people can eliminate suffering and become "happy" if only > > they perform actions (a, b, c,...). > > OK, fine; but I don't see much evidence for such claims, especially coming > > from the MUM statistics, and the like. > > 2. Then, over the centuries, various people claim to have duplicated the > > efforts of the Buddha; only to recycle the old messages and claims. > > 3. Apart from some extremely rare cases such as Nityananda and various > > Christian Saints; given the set of "Awakened" people, the evidence seems to > > suggest that true Enlightenment goes beyond mere "Awakening" and indeed, the > > latter is "ordinary" in no extraordinary sense! (in that case, one might as > > well interview Vegas card cheaters for amusement). > > 4. Among the truly Awakened, some demonstrate genuine Siddhis, either in a > > deliberate fashion (Nityananda); or that occur spontaneously in the Presence > > of persons like Ramana Maharshi. Yet you make lite of such happenings > > apparently to proclaim your elevated status and lower theirs. > > At any rate, I applaud you for not asking for donations and not having much > > in the way of a concealed agenda. Maybe you can hit people for some $$ later > > on. > > >
