> > The Ramana Maharshi used to advise seekers to > > meditate and ask themselves 'Who am I'? Suzuki > > Roshi once said that all you have to do is > > 'just sit' - this just sitting and being aware > > IS the enlightened state. It's that simple. > > Bhairitu: > In some cases I often wonder if some TM'ers see > the enlightenment carrot so out of reach they'll > never get there in this lifetime yet all they > may need is for someone to tap them on the > shoulder and point out they may already be there. > Sometimes enlightenment happens so slowly we're > like the proverbial frog boiling in water. We > just don't realize we're there because we take it > for granted. > The amount of enlightenment you experience is directly proportionate to the amount of suffering you experience. You are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. No amount of striving is going to bring you any closer to the enlightened state.
Meditation isn't the cause of enlightenment - meditation simply provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending. "The way into bliss is the way out of suffering." > I maintain that it is important for the third > eye to be open for enlightenment. Once open > you're there and it is difficult for it to close > again. > > Both people you mentioned above come from eastern > cultures. It likely their family line may have > practiced meditation techniques that led them to > be born with a cultured nervous that supports > enlightenment more easily than most. Then we have > the reincarnation variable which, if you believe > in it, may also contribute as we don't know how > many lifetimes it took for them to be able to > just experience an enlightened state doing next > to nothing. > > Many of us got results with mantras out of books. > Some even had kundalini experiences from those > experiments. Some had an immediate experience of > transcendence when initiated into TM while others > felt not much of anything. So there is a variable > there to take into account. >
