Sure seems like somebody is always owing you something, and crossing a line that they shouldn't cross.
--- In [email protected], Duveyoung <no_re...@...> wrote: > > Haven't read the book. Don't plan to. > > Does Judith ever take responsibility for the fact that she was conning all the rest of us by her silence -- knowing full well that Maharishi was a fake and letting us all trail after his celibate ass for decades more? I assume she does at least some hand-wringing in the book about her guilt in this regard, but does she? So, she owes you what? > > I fully understand keeping silent, cuz, well, we all kept silent about the "small stuff," -- like, heh, money laundering, but for her to keep silent about the sex seems to me to be such a "sin" against, well, ME-YOU-and everyone, that I'd have only disdain for this woman if I met her. Sometimes I wonder who is left standing after you have applied your remedies for all those who sin. > > Now, can anyone tell me what she says in the book to mitigate my accusation of her being a world class sinner-against-US. If I had heard about these high jinks I might have quit the movement way back then. Always the victim. Someone else is always responsible for your failings.? I don't get it. > > I don't know myself well enough to assert that I would have saved myself the decades of blindness and rationalizations and sacrifices, but I sure wish I'd been given the choice. If only you'd been given the choice? > > Did she speak up early and get beat up about or what? How come we didn't get the choice? The stories were always out there. Always. > > Given what I've personally have seen in the TMO, I can easily believe this report, but if it's true then this woman has helped perpetrate the criminality of Maharishi on the other women -- not to speak of what she might have been able to prevent in the lives of TENS OF THOUSANDS of true believers. > > Edg > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" geezerfreak@ wrote: > > > > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a small stash of notes from MMY.... the handwriting of the notes in the book certainly appears to be his. > > > > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also makes a strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as she becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism". > > > > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions. > > > > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that MMY's interest was drifting away towards several other women. > > > > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith that this is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support for Judith during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear. > > > > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the positive side of what MMY accomplished. > > > > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book. > > > > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty. > > >
