--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected],
> > "jim_flanegin" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > All the stories about our experience prior to
> > > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my 
> > > > experience. 
> > > 
> > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting,
> > > there's this huge disconnect between the
> > > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of
> > > communication.
> > > 
> > > It seems to me that as useless as 
> > > pre-enlightenment experience stories may
> > > seem to the enlightened, they need to
> > > realize and acknowledge how very real they
> > > are to those in ignorance.  That's the
> > > reality we're dealing with, even if it's
> > > obviously unreal to the enlightened.
> > 
> > But its no more unreal than the enlightened
> > experience...
> 
> Enlightenment is not an experience......
> 

Within the paradigm of "state of consciousness," its a physiological 
state, as are all relative "experiences."






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