Best of luck and healing with it all.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfr...@...> wrote: > > Thanks man. 7:45am (so they tell me) PST on Wednesday. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > state the exact time. I'll chant some mantras for you then. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry to sound so cagey about time. I'm awaiting heart surgery to correct > > > an electrical problem caused by open heart (really open like out of my > > > body on a plate) surgery in 2001 on my mitral valve. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I write like I was attempting to convince? No. I stated my opinion > > > > and that to take Tarts points one by one would require way more time > > > > than I have. > > > > > > > > In the meantime Doug/Buck summed it up better than I could given a > > > > short amount of time. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I really wish I had more time to devote to this post than > > > > > > I do...but I don't. The majority of your points are > > > > > > ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that Earl says that I have no opinion or > > > > > > personal knowledge of is the bit about Guru Dev's supposed > > > > > > murder and the stolen yantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of your suppositions taken from Earl's letter are > > > > > > absurd. > > > > > > > > > > Gee, that's convincing, Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO > > > > > > > > > > > > n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Tom Pall wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahesh, after traveling throughout India, found a man who > > > > > > > > > could activate the outer portions of the Shri Yantra. This > > > > > > > > > gave Mahesh certain occult powers and control over certain > > > > > > > > > astral beings. Mahesh then created a meditation technique and > > > > > > > > > certain mantras that would help people blank their minds. In > > > > > > > > > this blank state (which has nothing to do with transcendence > > > > > > > > > that is talked about in the yoga sutras) these astral beings > > > > > > > > > would brainwash these meditators into certain beliefs and > > > > > > > > > certain actions. In addition, Mahesh would put blocks on > > > > > > > > > people's nervous systems to block their Kundalini from firing > > > > > > > > > and to siphon off their energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good. This is the part of the draft I was referring to. > > > > > > > > It's very vague in the draft. Hopefully now you'll have a > > > > > > > > better understanding of what he's talking about and where he's > > > > > > > > coming from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just thinkin', if the bulk of the material in EK's letter is > > > > > > > true, then there are a number of implications that one would have > > > > > > > to accept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) SSRS would have to be a fake. He grew and was polished n his > > > > > > > years around MMY, validated MMY's teachings and was quite > > > > > > > respectful of him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Andandamayi Ma, Tat Walla Baba, Locksman Joo, Pundit Devarat > > > > > > > (most respected and learned Rig Veda pundit) would have to be > > > > > > > fakes as they all had significant relations with MMY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) A lot of the "awakenings" around FF must be fake / delusional > > > > > > > in that the majority primarily used TM as their sadhana. (maybe > > > > > > > this one is not much of a stretch for some to believe.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) The peer reviewed studies would be suspect -- how could they > > > > > > > find good benefit from TM otherwise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Depak would have bailed far earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Purusha would not be having any significant progress over 30 > > > > > > > years. I have only seen a few over the years -- and while not > > > > > > > wildly dirpping with yogic fruits, none the less liked the > > > > > > > program and were continuing with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) My own experiences in 15 months or so of long rounding, and > > > > > > > some years of practice (not exactly always on the program) would > > > > > > > not be valid. While some are undoubedly thinking "duh", I have > > > > > > > not soley been sucked dry by my practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) At the many Kuma Mela's MMY was at, surely the vast hordes of > > > > > > > vastly realized ones would have come forward and busted him and > > > > > > > the alleged scam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9) Regardless of prohibitions, many initiators and meditators saw > > > > > > > all sorts of psychics, other teachers, etc. and rumors of stuff > > > > > > > spread like wildfire. That no one in 40 years prior to EK's > > > > > > > visit to psychics hinted a the mechanics EK lays out is baffling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10) Amma, who likes FF, and whom I thought had good things to say > > > > > > > about MMY, would be deluded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11) AS Clint Eastwood the icon of people who don't take shit said > > > > > > > it, "Why els would I have done it regularly for 40 years if it > > > > > > > didn't work." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12) Among the very many pundits and all that MY brought around > > > > > > > him over the years wold have to have been dupped and/or silent - > > > > > > > which is not my experience with the ones I i interacted with and > > > > > > > saw. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13) MMY would have REALLY REALY loved his family -- to work 16/7 > > > > > > > or more for 50 years on a scam. Who was his nephew on courses in > > > > > > > early 70's, Pradeep? MMY didn't seem particularly close to hime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, is it hard to imagine that MMY had some in > > > > > > > India at odds with him -- in terms of his teaching, organization, > > > > > > > style etc. And I can sympathize with Earl being quite PO'ed and > > > > > > > wanting to lash out at the TMO - and taking things said by those > > > > > > > at odds with MMY verbatim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lots more tings could be listed. But to me, for right now, EK's > > > > > > > story seems fishy. If others have pro or con arguments, I would > > > > > > > be interested in hearing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
