--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Alex Stanley wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Has anyone actually awakened as a result of using this
> > > > > > technology?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alex, yours is the question I find myself asking about 
> > > > > any new thing I hear about. 
> > > > 
> > > > I find myself asking it about the old things, too. TM, for
> > example.
> > > > For all TM's "rah rah rah, we're the supersonic jet plane to
> > > > enlightenment" spiel, how many have actually awakened as a 
> result
> > of
> > > > practicing TM? From what I gather, it's a rarefied few.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > What "gather?" Have youj bothered EVER to read the links
> > > I've provided to the research on long-term TMers reporting
> > > witnessing 24/7 for years at a time?
> > 
> > To be honest, Lawson, due to your prodigious output on FFL, I
tend 
> to
> > skip over your posts. So, I have no idea what links you're
referring
> > to. But, as Vaj pointed out, witnessing is not enlightenment. I've
> > had my own taste of witnessing, and while it has a certain "gee 
> whiz"
> > quality to it, it was still clear to me that something hadn't
> > completely "gelled" in terms of awakening.
> 
> You've had witnessing 24/7 for the past several years?

I think "taste of witnessing" implies that it was neither 27/7 nor
for years. You seem fixated on witnessing as if it's some sort of
absolute benchmark of awakening. However, if you listen to what
awakened people have to say, you'll find that witnessing is not at
all the benchmark that the TMO makes it out to be. 

Alex




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