--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" <wg...@...> wrote: > > Turq's problem is he believes that since a trail guide map > (for instance,i.e.Religion) is man made, it is unreliable, > which is really a no-brainer as the only way to prove if > the map is accurate is to walk the path yourself. > > You don't dismiss all the experiences of the past (past > trail guide maps) because they themselves are subject to > errors! Only a moron would believe everything and everybody > at face value but perhaps that is what Turq did when he > became a Siddha (or a TM'er)?
Billy, since you admit above that all paths (trail guides) are prone to errors, doesn't it follow that only a moron would consider any of them infallible and worth following as if they were gospel or Truth? > It's called throwing out the baby with the bath water! > > Turq, there can be no *proof* of God other than your > OWN experience! Billy, this is why we can never agree. Subjective experience is NOT "proof." It's only subjective experience. That may be enough to convince *you* of God's existence, but that's the only person on the planet you can ever convince using your subjec- tive experience as an argument. I'm NOT denying the value of making one's own judgments based on one's own subjective experiences. I do that, too. I just don't call it "proof," because it isn't and never will be. For example, I've seen siddhis performed that other people here only talk about, and have never experienced personally. That doesn't mean that they existed, or "prove" anything about their existence; it's only an assertion on my part that I experienced them. Unlike you, I am content to *leave it* at that assertion; I seek to "prove" nothing to anyone. That's what people who are selling something do; I am selling nothing. > If you wish to reinvent the wheel and forgo all the > experiences and teachings of the past that is your > choice, though I would submit not a very good one! It's also something I have never said. You made it up and attributed it to me. I follow lots of advice from past teachings; I just don't hold any of them to be infallible or Truth. The ones I still follow worked out for me, that's all. If they stop working for me, I'll drop them in an instant and never think about them again. I owe none of these teach- ings or suggestions any allegiance just because they worked for me for a while, at one stage of my spiritual development. > Everything is taken on Faith until it becomes your > own direct experience, even simple directions to the > post office! Everything in the spiritual realm is taken on faith even after you have validated it to your satisfaction via direct experience. Your experience with non- verifiable phenomena proves nothing, *except to you*. Someday you may understand this. > Roll up your sleeves you have to walk the path yourself, > there is no such thing as an infallible Religion until > you yourself KNOW it to be so! Billy, you always get carried away and write too much when you should have stopped when you had a winner. In this case, you should have stopped with "...there is no such thing as an infallible religion." :-) > Correct me if I'm wrong.... I did. Billy, I'm NOT challenging your personal experience or declaring it "wrong." I'm just trying to remind you what it is -- a completely unverifiable subjective experience. That is all it is, and all it will remain. No experience you ever have of a phenomenon that can't be objectively verified will allow you to claim that you "KNOW" something. That's just hubris, narcissism, and self-importance IMO.
