--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > > and: what is there about permanent witnessing that is NOT a 
benchmark 
> > > > of some sort, enlightenment-wise?
> > > 
> > > Permanent witnessing is to enlightenment as having toenails
> > > is to being human.
> > > 
> > > Just a tiny part of a larger phenomenon...
> > 
> > Except, of course, you don't need toenails to be human. Are you 
> > saying that witnessing isn't a defining characteristic, however 
> > beginning-level it actually is, of enlightenment?
> 
> I am suggesting, since the consistent experience of people
> who have begun witnessing frequently has been that, once
> it "started" they realized it had never *not* been present, that
> witnessing has no more physiological coorelation to enlight-
> enment than having toenails does.
> 
> The witnessing was present before it was noticed.  It is there
> after it has been noticed.  What is to test for?
> 
> I am unconvinced that anyone will *ever* find physiological
> coorelates to enlightenment.

There's physiological correlates to witnessing, so...




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