--- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected],
> johnlasher20002000 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Guru Dev says that it's not good for women to
> use aum as part of their
> > > mantra, however Ammachi gives women mantras
> which use aum in the
> > > begining. Since both are enlightened masters
> what is the reality in
> > > this situation???
> > 
> > Who says either is/was an enlightened master?
> 
> 
> ********
> 
> I will cheerfully step up to the plate for this one.
> 
> Anyone who thinks Guru Dev was not enlightened is an
> idiot.
> 
> Ammachi is a different kind of critter; it might be
> more correct to think of her as an avatar, 
> although I have no problem at all thinking of her as
> an "enlightened master" if that's the 
> assertion being offered for consideration.
> 
> L B S

I see Amma this way too, as an avatar. She was born
this way. Other's such as Guru Dev, MMY, SSRS, LBS
aged in spiritual practices to evoke realization. Amma
was never "in ignorance". Just like Krishna was never
"in ignorance". But here's a fly in the ointment,
Rama, an avatar of Vishnu was in ignorance (read the
Yoga Vashista)! Go figure.  



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