--There are many people having good results with this new technology. From my experience, it definitely has been a good way to go to much deeper levels in meditation. The value of this method seems to be that it progressively allows the physiology to experience deeper states; and these deeper states, provide clearer experiences in TM and TM-Siddhis.. The inventor of this method describes how he and his friends went through great leaps of growth with this method; he had been involved with many techniques of self-developement, including TM for many years. The basis of enlightenment seems to be the establishment of and experience of Being, Presence, Witnessing, that which is beyond the ego, and anything which can take you beyond the ego, is a technique for becoming enlightened, as far as I am concerned. I can acheive this through TM, through listening to holosync, through doing Tai Chi, through dance, through singing, anything which allows you to stop thinking and just be present in the now moment. Listening to and reading Echkart Tolle's stuff, has helped me also. I have experiences of witnessing, although not permanately established yet; It is easy for me to discuss the dynamics and philosophy of enlightenment, it is still the permanant experience of witnessing and the accompanied bliss, and connection to a 'Higher Power' or an intuitive sense that everything is always "as it 'ought to be'....
- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone actually awakened as a result of using this technology? > > > > > > I wonder. > > > > > > Alex, yours is the question I find myself asking about > > > any new thing I hear about. The fact that people are > > > awakening by whatever means has caused me to lose > > > patience for "life will be great at some future date" ideologies. > > > > > > For example, a friend is studying the Course in > > > Miracles with Robert Perry, a respected teacher of > > > that program. Well, the Course has been around > > > since the mid-1960s. What's its record for generating > > > the results it promises? One of these days I'll have > > > my friend ask Perry. > > > > I have offended some people on other spiritual forums > > ( I'm sure you're all surprised to hear this :-) by talking > > about the three questions I ask of any spiritual teacher > > I meet these days. I have asked these questions of quite > > a few people so far, with rather interesting results. They > > are the questions I feel that I *should* have asked before > > embarking on past long-term spiritual studies. > > > > So far, almost no one has been offended by being asked > > these questions. One of the only teachers who was > > offended was later arrested for fraud, and is now doing time > > in a New Mexico prison. Go figure. So anyway, the three > > questions I ask (preferably in private, but if that is not > > possible, in a public forum): > > > > 1. When you speak about enlightenment, are you speaking > > from your own personal experience with enlightenment? > > > > 2. Have any students who follow the path you teach realized > > their own enlightenment? > > > > 3. If the answer to #2 is yes, can you point them out to me > > and allow me to speak to them? > > > > So far, most of the teachers have been honest enough to > > answer "No" to questions #1 and #2. A few have answered > > "Yes" to #1 and (very sadly) "No" to #2. The teacher who is > > now in prison answered "Yes" to the first two questions and > > threw me out of the room when I asked #3. I still haven't > > encountered anyone who answered "Yes" to all three > > questions. But I haven't stopped asking, which probably > > makes me an incurably hopeful romantic, but there you > > jolly well are, aren't you? > > > > Unc > > All good questions. > > Some have gotten a bit testy when asked # 1 on FFL. > > The following is not a jibe, more an observation of a paradox or > contradiction. You can comment if you like -- clever, I am sure the > response it will be. > > You indicate that you are not enlightened, yet talk in great detail > and apparent authority as to what it enlightenment is and what the > path is and what the path is not. However, if enlightenment has not > happened, and all pre-enlightenment is as Judy quotes MMY "a mistake > of the intellect", or as others appear to echo "its NOTHING like you > thought it would be", then it seems anything said in the unenlightened > state about enlightenment is wrong. I would guess the words are even > more deeply wrong, the more emphatic and authoritative the > unenlightened speaker speaker is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
