You are right Joe, you did not. I have never followed him though I visited the Satsang a few times in the mid nineties with my ex who was into him before she moved to on Ammachi, later I stopped visiting since I was content to just visit Ammachi when she visited. I completely rely on my own experience and my opinion of him was he was enlightened since I could feel the shakti. I have never bought into the concept of a Guru, so I am really neutral to people worshiping him as an avatar, God or whatever. People do that at Ammachi as well, to each his own, to me it is very limiting and not in tune with my samskaras. For me the concept of a God is more in tune with scriptures like Tripura Rahasya. For me there is the essential and then there is accidental, I don't pay too much attention to the accidental. The awakened ones reminded that me that such a state as the "essence" exists and that it can be reached. I did lot of reading when the controversies came around and I didn't find much substance to it. It looked like another creation of the Christian missionary/American money. I really love Osho and he had lot of uncharitable things to say about Sai Baba, but like I said I don't pay too much attention to the accidental.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@...> wrote: > > Ravi, did I say you "have" to believe me about Sai Baba? No. You're certainly free to believe whatever you like about him. > > So what DO you believe about him? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote: > > > > > > So we have to believe you and others on this list and not the ones mentioned in the article. You can't even give up your addiction to TM, what an effing hoot.. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > Well, I guess that settles it. God is a pedophile and cheap magician who is nearly dead. > > > > > > Thanks for clearing that up Nabby! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P O T E N T E V I D E N C E : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W H O is Sai Baba? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by R. D. Awle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001. > > > > > > > > This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely, > > > > > > > > as long as the source is clearly attributed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Small OM, aka Pranava] > > > > > > > > Who is Baba? Testimony of the Modern Day Masters > > > > One of the greatest Saints of this century was a woman named > > > > Anandamoyi Ma. (The name translates as `Bliss-permeated Mother.' > > > > There's a photo of her, standing next to Paramahansa Yogananda, in > > > > Autobiography of a Yogi.) She was so pure and filled with God that she > > > > was widely considered to be a Divine Incarnation herself: there seemed > > > > to be nothing in her but God, and her words were Truth itself. > > > > According to one of her closest Western devotees, over the years she had > > > > often been asked, "Who is this Sathya Sai Baba we keep hearing > > > > about?" But for many years she never gave an answer. In the last > > > > year of her life, however, the question came up again, and this time she > > > > gave the following response: "This body will speak on this question > > > > only once; don't ask again. Sathya Sai Baba is the most powerful > > > > incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth. And there won't be > > > > another at His level for another sixty centuries."6 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn1> > > > > > > > > That amazing testimony was recently strengthened for me when I > > > > went to one of Anandamoyi Ma's ashrams in the Himalayas. When I > > > > shared the preceding quote with a Swami there7, he said that Anandamoyi > > > > Ma had then added, "It's no wonder you keep hearing about Sai > > > > Baba. He is the Avatar of this Yuga!" (Avatar means Incarnation of > > > > God; a Yuga is an era lasting many thousands of years.) > > > > > > > > Other Saints have given similar testimony. Shortly before he > > > > left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by > > > > one of his close American disciples, a woman. "Master," she > > > > said, "I know you are planning on leaving your body. You must take > > > > me with you! You are my God!" > > > > > > > > "Nonsense," replied Yogananda. "God is God; I am > > > > your Guru." > > > > > > > > "But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit > > > > suicide!" > > > > > > > > "Enough of that foolishness! God Himself is now incarnate > > > > on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba. When I leave you are > > > > going to live with Him." (His prediction proved correct; after > > > > Yogananda's death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai > > > > Baba's ashram.)8 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn3> > > > > > > > > Mata Amritanandamayi (also known as Ammachi), Herself > > > > considered to be an incarnation of the Divine Mother, was once asked, > > > > "Who is Sai Baba?" She replied, "Avatar. Perfect from > > > > birth."9 <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn4> > > > > > > > > On the day after Sai Baba's birth (November 23, 1926), Sri > > > > Aurobindo, another great Saint of this century, broke a long period of > > > > silence to announce, "Twenty-fourth November, 1926, was the descent > > > > of Krishna into the physical. A power infallible shall lead the > > > > thought, in earthly hearts kindle the Immortal's Fire, even the > > > > multitude shall hear the voice!"10 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn5> It seems > > > > obvious at this point that his announcement of Krishna's physical > > > > re-embodiment was referring to the birth of Sathya Sai Baba. > > > > > > > > Mother Krishnabai, the Self-Realized disciple of Swami Ramdas > > > > (the great Saint from Kerala), told her devotees, "Sai Baba is an > > > > Avatar, a full incarnation of Krishna. He is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva > > > > together in one form!" She recommended they spend as much time in > > > > His presence as possible.11 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn6> > > > > > > > > Swami Satchidananda, the Enlightened sage who currently runs > > > > Anandashram in Kerala, was recently asked about the allegations against > > > > Sai Baba. He replied, "Forget about it. He is God!"12 > > > > > > > > Karunamayi (also known as Vijayeshwari Devi, considered by > > > > many to be a living incarnation of the Goddess Sarasvati) recently told > > > > one of her close devotees, "Sai Baba and Amma [meaning herself] are both > > > > watching over you." Apparently she also knows who Baba is! > > > > > > > > Yogi Ramsuratkumar made it clear on numerous occasions that > > > > Sai Baba is an incarnation of God. He often asked visitors from > > > > Baba's ashram, "You've left God to see this beggar?"13 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn8> (Of course, > > > > that "beggar" was himself merged in the all-pervading > > > > Consciousness; the beauty of his attainment was matched only by his > > > > humility.) > > > > > > > > Shiva Balayogi, another of the great Gurus of the last > > > > century, was once asked about Sai Baba. He replied, "Sathya Sai > > > > Baba is an Avatar."14 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn21> > > > > > > > > Master El Moya and Master Kuthumi, two of the great Ascended > > > > Masters behind the founding of the Theosophical Movement, also declared > > > > Sai Baba to be an Avatar. According to author Howard Murphet, in the > > > > book "The Light Will Set You Free" these Masters have stated, > > > > "Avatar Sai Baba is carrying the Divine consciousness in the world > > > > today."15 <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn22> > > > > > > > > Maitreya, the mysterious Master who has been miraculously > > > > appearing before people in various places around the globe throughout > > > > the last two decades, has said (through his spokesman, Benjamin Creme) > > > > that He (Maitreya) is the planetary Avatar, while Sai Baba is the > > > > Universal Avatar.16 > > > > <http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html#_edn9> > > > > > > > > Testimony from Gopalakrishna Baba, Devi Amma, "Little Heart" > > > > and Vasantha Sai appears later in the website. > > > > > > > > > >
