Gee, if the educator's think it doesn't work, they must be right. 
They've done such a marvelous job with their own 'technology."
 
----It's not the job of the government to produce drug free and well balanced individuals. It's the job of the parents who took it upon themselves to raise kids. If the kids become somehow wards of the state then yes, they might as well become wards of a sci-fi cult.

Ever wonder why Scientology is so attacked by a system that has given
us wars in Vietnam & Iraq and completely failed drug, criminal rehab
and educational programs?
 
-----The government's primary function is to protect the peace.  That is, it seeks to protect borders and secure the constituents interest as opposed to others.  It's the people of America that gave us Vietnam and all other wars that we have sponsored. If Americans were really against them they would overturn the government or die trying.
 
Frankly I don't see Scientology being attacked so much as worshipped by actors who lack much in the way of emotional credibility. As far as the government attacking Scientology, I think that actually our government supports it or else they would have crucified you all on stakes like the Romans did Jesus. I see no martyr complex amongst you beside the one at present. I think that your persecution complex is unfounded.
 
Ever heard of separation of church and state?  The article quoted was just that. If Creationism is far fetched then Space Alien invaders chained in volcanos is much more far fetched. Keep it the fuck away from our schools. There's more validity in "Lord of the Rings."  And it was a better novel than anything L Ron dreamed up.


Instead of finding stuff to attack, find something to support.  You
can find "crazy shit" written about anything and everything on this
planet.  Why not look for what could possibly be good about something.
 
----Well, how about not using narcotic abuse as a crafty gateway into your cult? 

Kirk, you're always asking "Well, what you gonna do about it?"  I
think its a good question.  Scientology and Scientologists are doing
something about the craziness on this planet, so of course, they get
labelled as crazy. 
----The only Scientologist or Scientology is a cult and cultish membership of people who have reified their conceptualization of reality into something so far fetched that they are then dissociated enough to be able to look at themslves objectively. So that's why they are labeled as crazy.
 
Regular humans who might indulge in Scientology are just humans who have indulged in Scientology. Why don't we see more regular humans who have merely indulged in Scientology?  Because it's not possible to be a regular human who merely indulges in Scientology. Oone must ascribe to the whole entire cult. There is no turning around. 
 
Just as their isn't in any cult. 
 
I object to any crafty means for making people join ones cult. I don't care if the reason is:
Stress Release - TM
Drug Freedom - Narconon=Scientology
Better Sex - OTO
Feeling like you're on dope - Muktananda/Rajaneesh
Etc...
 
I just find it shady.  Even though I might object furiously to cults like those surrounding personalities like Bhagavan Kalki and Shri Nirmala Devi, at least they are honestly cultish and not even trying to hide their 'golden balls' and 'infinite grace of the avatar.' Whereas you Scientologiest have to use nanometers or whatever they're called to maintain some objective ability for discerning your own condition.
 

You mean you can find something to criticize about a group of humans
who are trying to do something different and buck the
miserable "systems" that are currently in place?
Wow!  I'm impressed.  That takes real skill.
 
----Don't get all offended. I've been really easy on you, and I never even told you what I really think about Scientology. 
 
Mainly because I realized long ago that you have been so thoroughly indoctrinated into your cult that you sound reasonable. It takes a huge amount of effort in any pursuit to make the supremely complex seem simple.


Why not spend a little time on a Scientology site or two and see that
side of the story.  We already  know how adept most people are on
this forum at finding dirt.  Maybe, just maybe, you'll find it could
be the baby out with the bath water.
 
----Like I need aliens running aound in my bathwater. Ever since Ii was 12 and hanging out in Hollywood where one of the first Scientology cult dooorways was on Hollywood Blvd, I thought you guys were seriously mental if not outright as sick as two legged dogs. Just stay the fuck away from my children and we won't have to run into each other. 
 
If it turns out that I fail in my job of giving them the tools to survive and they take recouse to being whores to buy their heroin, then fine, you can have them then. Until then, I would rather they be free to determine what they are and are not, without some sickening cult trying to brainwash them under some conjob.


Let's hope somebody has some real solutions to what's going on on
this planet.
 
----It's not that drug abuse councelling is bad. It's just how it is done. Just like all things. It's about the means not the end. You and your cult are just more predators with benign smiles. So shove it.









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