Hilarious! Barry is one of those people who probably wanted to challenge some of what Maharishi said at the time but was too chickenshit, so now decades later he attempts to compensate by producing reams of aggressive BS on an internet forum to counter that missed opportunity.
I find it bizarre too that he goes after TM so much when his later "teacher", the doofus/rapist called Rama exploited his students far more than the TMO ever has. I suspect that Barry got to ride a couple of times in the front seat next to rapist Rama, felt pretty special about it, and gives the guy a pass as a result. Maharishi on the other hand barely noticed poor Barry, and dammit NOBODY barely notices Barry, so the attempt at getting even (with a dead guy) continues. Good luck Dude! --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], cardemaister <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Just read that and realized what a supreme teacher > > > Maharishi was. He could explain extremely abstract > > > stuff so that most people had at least a chance to > > > understand what he was talking about! ;D > > > > I'm going to have to disagree with you here, Card. > > Quelle surprise! > > > Admittedly, Maharishi had a way of parroting old > > metaphors in a way that made most of his naive > > followers think that they were new with him, and > > he had a way of appealing to the intellect and the > > need for self importance in his students, in such > > a way that people felt that they "understood" things > > which probably *can't* be understood. > > Actually, he could explain extremely abstract > stuff so that most people had at least a chance to > understand what he was talking about. > > <snip> > > But that never happened in the TMO because Maharishi > > brought with him not only a set of old metaphors that > > had been bought as Truth by Indians for centuries, > > he brought with him the tradition of *never question- > > ing the source*. He established an environment in > > which it was largely unthinkable to ever doubt a > > word that came out of his (the teacher's) mouth. He > > established an environment in which doubting anything > > said by the teacher was the highest sin, and punish- > > able by excommunication. > > That's simply not true. Maybe *Barry* was afraid to > question him, but many others were not, as even > rank-and-filers saw in some of the videotapes we > were shown (the one where he has a long argument > with Keith Wallace comes to mind, and other instances > have been reported here by TM teachers). > > And goodness knows there was all *kinds* of > questioning, including frankly hostile questioning, > of his ideas by participants on residence courses and > in advanced lectures. There was questioning during my > mini-SCI course and even on my checker training > course. > > I was a PITA during my three days of checking. At > one point I even suggested it was all "mumbo-jumbo." > > <snip> > > And the bottom line, the *result* of all of this? > > Decades later die-hard TMers *still* cannot conceive > > of the things he said as anything but Truth. They > > trot his pronouncements out in arguments as if they > > should "settle things" > > But remember that Barry has never been able to > grasp the distinction between "MMY said" and "What > MMY said is true." > > > for other people the way they > > did for them the first time they heard them and > > automatically considered them Truth. > > Or who came to the conclusion that they rang true > intellectually well after the fact, on the basis of > reflection and personal experience. > > What we're seeing here, as we do so often, is > Barry making the assumption that *his* reactions > and behavior were the same as everyone else's. > > > And they tend > > to consider him an excellent teacher, in most cases > > without ever having worked with another one. > > Teaching is teaching, no matter what the subject. > All of us have had quite a few teachers in our > lives. Those of us who had intellectual curiosity > and paid attention are pretty clear on which of our > teachers were good at it and which weren't. > > > I have higher standards where teachers are concerned. > > As we all know, Barry considers himself to have > higher standards where just about anything is > concerned. It's part of the self-image he spends > so much time polishing, defending, protecting, and > exalting. > > <snip> > > Most important, I like teachers who never fail to > > point out that anything they say is at best only > > *partially* true. That is, it can be considered true > > or Truth *only* from one state of consciousness or > > attention. Shift to another, and it is no longer > > true. > > And where did Barry first hear this? From MMY, of > course: "Knowledge is different in different states > of consciousness." > > Ooooopsie! > > And decades later, even Barry *still* cannot conceive > of that teaching as anything but Truth. He trots this > pronouncement of MMY out in arguments as if it should > "settle things"--except that, oddly enough, he can't > bring himself to give MMY credit for it. > > <guffaw> >
