You talkin to me bitch? Or just strokin your shtick?


I never realized how important Vaj and you were as two great and
important bodhisattva-like people. I say "like" because neither
of you are Buddhists, just a couple of TM haters. But it was really Vaj
who let us know how extraordinary you both were – only here on FFL 
to remove our attachments like some rotten teeth and re-establish new,
gleaming white veneers … truth, freedom and the European way.



So should we pray to you in your own Pure Land or just wait for you to
enlighten us some more?

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--- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > > On Behalf Of emptybill
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > Calm down and consider the facts long demonstrated here on FFL.
> > >
> > > Vaj is a classic newsgroup troll ... someone whose only
> > > purpose is to cause everyone else to argue, to "provoke
> > > readers to an emotional reaction" and to "disrupt normal
> > > on-topic discussion".
>
> Please check the description of this group on its
> home page. Nothing Vaj posts is anything other than
> on topic, according to that. What you're saying is
> that Vaj posts things you don't like.
>
> > > Vaj trolls here, along with Barry, strictly due to
> > > Rick choosing to allow it.
> > >
> > > He seems quite amused by their behaviors.
>
> As are we. Because the fish seemingly have no choice
> as to whether to "bite" or not. They are locked into
> attachment behaviors that run their lives. All that
> we do is dangle one of the attachments in front of
> them, and they don't just bite, they *leap* onto
> the hook.
>
> *And* in very predictable ways. I don't know about
> Vaj, but my schtick is to "pre-announce" how the TM
> TBs are going to react, throw out the bait, and then
> wait for them to demonstrate that my prediction was
> accurate. What I think you don't like is that most
> of the time it works.
>
> > I don't know about that, but I do know that I decided long
> > ago that I'm not going to police FFL. I don't have the time,
> > and it is not my nature to do so. There are enough FFL
> > participants representing enough points of view that the
> > whole thing is self-regulating. Every perspective is
> > counter-balanced by some other. My interference would
> > only upset the balance. My status as a participant is
> > equal to everyone else's. Some agree with my point of view;
> > others don't. I don't consider it to be more "right"
> > than others' perspectives, and certainly don't want FFL
> > to be filtered through it.
>
> Well said. On the other hand, the folks playing "pile
> on" to the latest Get Vaj Fest very much DO want the
> posts at FFL filtered through their own perspective.
>
> Interestingly enough, that perspective is to glorify
> and amplify those who push their buttons, as opposed
> to just ignoring them, or simply countering what they
> say by sticking to the content of what they post.
> Instead, the "pile on" crowd here at FFL seemingly
> *cannot* simply deal with the issues raised by critics.
> They *have* to attack the critics personally.
>
> In doing this, they tend to "elevate" them, as if
> they feel the need to make them seem like "bigger
> enemies." Vaj isn't Just Another Guy With An Opinion,
> he's part of an enormous Buddhist conspiracy. If
> you made a list of the things I've been accused of,
> it would probably be longer than the list of things
> that Hitler has been accused of. :-)
>
> I keep pushing buttons because I'm hoping someday
> that most in the TMO will finally figure out that
> they embarrass only themselves and the org they're
> trying so desperately to defend by acting out this
> "Gotta get the critic" behavior. It's their *own*
> self importance that makes them characterize the
> critics they perceive as enemies in a "larger than
> life" fashion. They cannot allow lurkers to think
> that they've gotten this bent out of shape over
> Just Another Guy With An Opinion. They have to
> make it seem as if the guy is part of some huge
> conspiracy, or mentally ill, or whatever.
>
> People whose beliefs are strong have no need to
> consistently demonize those who challenge them.
> Their beliefs *are* strong, and they demonstrate
> that strength of belief by just laughing, or by
> dealing with the "meat" of the critical points
> being raised. What they *don't* do is embarrass
> themselves and the beliefs themselves by trying
> to "get the critic." That's just stupid.
>
> Me, I continue to allow those prone to stupidity
> to demonstrate it on this forum. As I've said
> many times, if you're trying to make a point,
> *demonstrate* it, don't claim it. The "pile on"
> crowd never fails to demonstrate the behavior
> I am pointing out -- the compulsive need to
> attack and demonize those who disagree with
> them. I'm betting that most here know the
> difference between that and real belief.
>



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