--- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: <snip> > I don't know about > Vaj, but my schtick is to "pre-announce" how the TM > TBs are going to react, throw out the bait, and then > wait for them to demonstrate that my prediction was > accurate. What I think you don't like is that most > of the time it works.
This is total bullshit, astounding self-importance and self-flattery. It's an attempt to make the crudest kind of demonization and the shallowest type of thinking into something clever and high- sounding and noble. But it's really just the lowest-vibe crap. <snip> > Well said. On the other hand, the folks playing "pile > on" to the latest Get Vaj Fest very much DO want the > posts at FFL filtered through their own perspective. The Big Lie. Except that Barry's trotted it out so often that most everyone has seen through it by now. We don't have any objection to honest criticism of the TMO/MMY. What we won't tolerate is the kind of garbage constantly being thrown at us by Barry and Vaj. Every time Barry attempts to accuse TMers of going after TM critics, substitute "Barry and Vaj" for the term "critics." They're the only two people here to whom any of it applies, and it isn't because of their ideas, it's because of their dishonorable behavior. > Interestingly enough, that perspective is to glorify > and amplify those who push their buttons Absolutely amazing self-deception. You're being *disparaged*, buddy, big-time. "Glorified" my foot. , as opposed > to just ignoring them, or simply countering what they > say by sticking to the content of what they post. > Instead, the "pile on" crowd here at FFL seemingly > *cannot* simply deal with the issues raised by critics. > They *have* to attack the critics personally. And this is even more amazing, given the gratuitous, vicious attacks on TMers that constantly emanate from Barry and Vaj. Poor baby doesn't like it when he's attacked back! Boo-hoo! > In doing this, they tend to "elevate" them, as if > they feel the need to make them seem like "bigger > enemies." It's "bigger assholes," and you do all that yourselves. We just point it out. > Vaj isn't Just Another Guy With An Opinion, > he's part of an enormous Buddhist conspiracy. If > you made a list of the things I've been accused of, > it would probably be longer than the list of things > that Hitler has been accused of. :-) > > I keep pushing buttons because I'm hoping someday > that most in the TMO will finally figure out that > they embarrass only themselves and the org they're > trying so desperately to defend by acting out this > "Gotta get the critic" behavior. Nobody's engaging in "Gotta get the critic" behavior. We're engaging in "Smack around the two odious assholes" behavior. You don't like the blowback, stop being odious assholes. And stop lying to us and yourself about why you're being smacked around. > It's their *own* self importance >From here on, note the extraordinary degree of delusionary self-importance Barry accords himself and Vaj as he attempts to rationalize their rotten behavior: that makes them characterize the > critics they perceive as enemies in a "larger than > life" fashion. They cannot allow lurkers to think > that they've gotten this bent out of shape over > Just Another Guy With An Opinion. They have to > make it seem as if the guy is part of some huge > conspiracy, or mentally ill, or whatever. > > People whose beliefs are strong have no need to > consistently demonize those who challenge them. > Their beliefs *are* strong, and they demonstrate > that strength of belief by just laughing, or by > dealing with the "meat" of the critical points > being raised. What they *don't* do is embarrass > themselves and the beliefs themselves by trying > to "get the critic." That's just stupid. > > Me, I continue to allow those prone to stupidity > to demonstrate it on this forum. As I've said > many times, if you're trying to make a point, > *demonstrate* it, don't claim it. The "pile on" > crowd never fails to demonstrate the behavior > I am pointing out -- the compulsive need to > attack and demonize those who disagree with > them. I'm betting that most here know the > difference between that and real belief.
