--- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of > celibacy and on being a monk. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. > shtml
Interesting, and thanks for posting this link, but he doesn't actually mention celibacy in the segment. He speaks in general terms in answer to the interviewer's question, in terms of "restraining from the worldly joys of life." He doesn't even speak of *vows* in this clip, merely that he "came out of that world" that believed that to lead a spiritual life, one must renounce the world. He says that he renounced the world. But *then* he goes on to say that what he *learned* was that it *wasn't* necessary to renounce the world to lead a spiritual life. "I had the idea that I must renounce the world in order to be really a spiritual man, a yogi. But what I found out was that spiritual life was not dependent on the renun- ciation of the material world." So if one were looking for it, one could see in this clip a *rejection* of the idea of renouncing the world, rather than a claim to still be living that life. All his references in this clip to "renouncing the world" are in the past tense. So I reiterate -- has anyone *ever* heard Maharishi claim to be celibate? Or has everyone merely *assumed* he was all this time? Unc P.S. In retrospect, don't you find it fascinating that what you read into this clip was, according to the Subject line, "Maharishi speaking of his vow of celibacy?" He never mentioned celibacy, he never mentioned "vows," and he actually *rejected* the idea of having to renounce the world to be spiritual. My original point was that one hears what one wants to hear. I rest my case. > -- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > I'm not okay with MMY giving jewelry and saris to > > > favorite ladies unless the money was donated > > > specifically for that. After all, the TMO's selling of > > > MMY to the public has always made a big thing of MMY's > > > vow of poverty and has continually assured us that MMY > > > would never take actual possession of any TMO money > > > for personal use. > > > > Actually, I have to say that I *never* heard anything like > > this from the TMO -- officially or unofficially -- in my 14 > > years with the organization. > > > > I'm wondering if it's one of those "imagined urban legends" > > that show up from time to time, like Maharishi claiming to > > be celibate. I never heard him say anything about *that*, > > either. > > > > In my experience, people sometimes take their assump- > > tions about how a spiritual teacher "should" act and > > make them into assumptions about how the teacher > > has actually *said* they would act. > > > > My suspicion is that if you heard either thing -- that MMY > > had taken a vow of poverty or that he had taken a vow > > of celibacy -- from someone in the TM movement, that > > person either made it up or was passing along something > > that someone else had made up. Can anyone here claim > > to have heard *Maharishi himself* ever say such things? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
