"..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th at 
7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 9pm." 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote:
>
> Not fair dude - The infrastructure problems the US faces are way bigger than 
> what the Dutch are doing. What the Dutch are doing is amazing and 
> revolutionary from an engineering perspective, but it remains one BIG project 
> - keeping the North Sea from coming in. Anything but trivial, however 
> compared in scale to what goes on in the US to maintain 300 million souls, we 
> do pretty well too.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > be good for the collective.
> > > 
> > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > 




> > If meditation is so good for the individual, and
> > you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
> > seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
> > outrage over those problems?
> > 
> > Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
> > who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
> > the rest of American society. 
> > 
> > It also seems to me that if meditation did something
> > beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
> > be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
> > two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
> > Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
> > nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
> > fix things for them.
> > 
> > I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
> > lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
> > to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
> > ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
> > pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
> > and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
> > "collective" that seems to have something going for 
> > it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
> > so much.
> > 
> > We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
> > Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
> > and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
> > "creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
> > but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.
> > 
> > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> >
>


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