--- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > RESPONSE: Anyone who claims "to have gotten there some other way than TM" > > is just as deceived as the person who (like me) seemed to have all the > > empirical proof that I was enlightened through TM. > > > Would you like to elaborate on this point ? > > > IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET TO ANY OTHER PLACE THAN ONESELF. There is in fact > no place to get to. > > > This is what Muktananda and Maharishi said, year after year. > > I don't want to hurt your feelings in any way, but do have a checking ! > RESPONSE; The self I am referring to is the unique First Person self that has never been before and never will be repeated. That's what one goes into death with, and only this. The notion of becoming identified with a larger and impersonal Self (undying, unborn: the Absolute, Atman) is, based upon my own profound experience of being so identified, a fiction. The subjectivity you inadvertently expressed in this post, THAT is way more to do with who and what you are than some notion of pure consciousness.
You see how violently opinionated and bigoted I am. But after all, I went through and live out the experience of Enlightenment, and even directed a kind of live, perpetual theatre (metaphysical in nature) based upon the perspective of my Enlightenment (Unity Consciousness). And everyone who came was enthralled by this performance, because it seemed to demonstrate that one's personal life was a cosmic drama. But in the end my experience and perspective proved to be false to reality, and reality took its revenge upon me—after waiting for ten years. I know all about checking: most brilliant invention of anyone in the last century I'd say. But all in the service (IMO) of mystical deceit of the mind, and the maiming of the person, and the wounding of the physiology. You will excuse my hard feelings about all this. First Person Ontology [me] versus Third Person Ontology [the Self]: I favour the realness of the former over the latter. I wouldn't come for checking because I've stopped worshipping my mantra. Are you still there, nablusoss? Thanks for your comments. By the way: it is my distinct intuition that Muktananda and Maharishi have both altered their beliefs in a most radical way since they went through the death experience. When their souls were rent asunder from their bodies. Not a fun experience, I think. I don't want to be totally take be surprise when this happens. Which is why I have turned upon these Eastern gods.
