"the self-same principle that Ravi was (condescendingly, I must say, (it
takes one to know one)) trying to explain to me way back when."
Mark, I have been (intentionally) condescending to others ("low vibe"
writer types) but not when I was responding to you, sorry if it appeared
otherwise. Your heart-centeredness became evident to me as you posted
more. A beautiful post BTW.
--- In [email protected], Mark Landau <m@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Jim (how long does it take, here, to put names to email
addresses?), I, too, find this true and beautiful, with one possible
exception. The heart, the true heart (IME, E & U), has no need
whatsoever for story gratification. The true heart, the lion heart, is
a far better organ of perception/knower than the mind. It's the heart,
or hearts, of the inner frozen children that need constant soothing, the
"heart", if you will, of the ego complex, of our woundedness and our
pain, or I guess one could say, and perhaps more simply and truly, and,
in so doing dissolve this "exception," the wounded parts of our heart.
It's the stories that are the defense mechanisms that help us in our
long, misguided efforts to keep our pain away. Of course, this may not
apply to MZ, or any other particular individual, but, I believe, it
applies to most of us.
>
> What may more aptly apply to MZ (for all the profound things that have
occurred between us, and, yes, they truly are profound, just how much so
I have yet to see, I really do not yet know him well, as I have not had
the time to follow his suggestion and read all that he has written here,
nor do I think I will need to) is that he is using his intellect to
sincerely advance his spiritual growth through the towering edifice
created by the west's paramount religious institution (at least in terms
of it's effect on the west) and, yes, some of the world's purest souls
and highest thinkers (perhaps I will have to look into Aquinas),
combined with the highly developed qualities of his intuition (for me,
there's something I call inner knowing that is distinct from and goes
beyond intuition). How many have spent lifetimes lost in this structure
(of course, he would "know" they are not lost but are getting found,
and, perhaps, the only ones getting found)? We agree, I think, that the
mind, the intellect, no matter how developed and pure must always fall
short of true knowing. The truth of things is "unfathomable" and better
known by the heart. To know it one must lay the mind and everything
else aside and become it. To do this, one must put oneself through
whatever it takes to strip everything else away and become the truly,
truly, truly empty vessel.
>
> And, to this: the universe within us will never accept any story as
the the ultimate truth, I would add that the Satguru, God and the
universe, both the universe within and without (which you all may, of
course, have already agreed are one, though I still find it useful to
distinguish them) and, sometimes, the good guru, will totally knock the
shit out of us, if we force it/him/her to, the self-same principle that
Ravi was (condescendingly, I must say, (it takes one to know one))
trying to explain to me way back when.
>
