--- In [email protected], Mark Landau <m@...> wrote:
>
> Well, gee, everything is a projection of the Self and none of it really 
> exists, anyway, but, when living the particle POV, there are definitely 
> different dimensions, different dimensional beings different levels of 
> consciousness, different chakras, different parts of the torus, etc.  I look 
> forward to living permanent Reality POV.  You seem to hold that you do (as I 
> said, I'm the newbie here).  For how long now?  And is there no shadow that 
> ever arises within it?

* * Absolutely, Reality is delightfully multidimensional from a particle POV 
(which is a redundancy, in a way, as we have no Realities per se without 
creators to create them *and* creature-particles to appreciate them) -- a real 
amusement-park of self-discovery! 

>From one POV, Reality awoke to itSelf as That-alone-IS, that which has only 
>ever Been and only ever will Be, in November 1982. In Reality, we could say we 
>felt and granted the need for "liberation into utter perfection" to our first 
>I-particle then, and then immediately experienced the result once we had met 
>all the "yeah-but" objections of all the counter-programs. That first particle 
>is probably always the stickiest! And of course, absolutely, "shadows" or 
>other I-particles whom we have been ignoring, are constantly arising within us 
>to grab our attention! We are constantly enlightening ourselves, weaving back 
>and forth between "ignorance" and "unity" in our particles, though we 
>ourselves are "none of the above" and/or "all of the above, simultaneously" :-)


> On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:23 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
> 
> > You are of course entitled to your own viewpoint. As whether rakshasas or 
> > devas are "simple psychological projections" or not, I could not say. I 
> > have certainly experienced them as "real" and very powerful entities which 
> > are, however, on closer look ultimately projections of the Self, or of Us, 
> > as is everything. And I do enjoy "indulging in" reducing everything to the 
> > Self, or to IS-ness or Reality.
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "emptybill" <emptybill@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This psychologizes chö (d) and is a way to dismiss
> > > it as merely a method to devalue our internal fodder.
> > > 
> > > Chö means "cutting"; it is a Buddhist Tantric method
> > > for severing our human psyche from abhaya-
> > > which is primal dread or the tremendum.
> > > 
> > > Rakshasa-s/demons are not simple psychological
> > > projections and neither are deva-s. To dismiss them
> > > on such grounds is to indulge in reductionism.
> > > ........................................................................\
> > > .......
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IME rakshasas or demons are simply our own so-called "bad" children
> > > spurned, as the devatas or angels are our own so-called "good" children
> > > approved.
> > > >
> > > > All of this is nothing other than the chod or demon-feeding technique
> > > Vaj has occasionally spoken of here,
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>


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