Bake, bake, bake a cake/The baker called out [;)] (!) (Finding Truth/Objectivity in Constructivist Psychotherapy [:-?] ?) Backe, backe Kuchen,/der Bäcker hat gerufen./Wer will feinen Kuchen backen,/der muss haben 7 Sachen:/Zucker und Salz,/Butter und Schmalz,/Eier und Mehl/,Safran macht den Kuchen gelb/Schieb in den Ofen rein. Bake, bake, bake a cake/The baker called out/If you want to bake a cake / You need seven ingredients /Sugar and salt/Eggs and lard/Milk and flour and saffron makes the cake yellow/Push it into the oven... [:D]
Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man.Bake me a cake as fast as you can;Pat it and prick it and mark it with B,Put it in the oven for baby and meBing Crosby and Bob Hope used this rhyme in many of their" Road to... "pictures (1940-62) when threatened, distracting their attacker, and at an appropriate point would switch from patting the "cakes" to suddenly slugging their assailant. On some occasions, they made a self-referential remark that the antagonist in question had/had not seen their previous movies.This one has a different outcome... http://www.strimoo.com/video/10223009/Pattycake-Dailymotion.html http://tinyurl.com/3u6zkxx hey dude have fun finding out yourself!you are close , just need seven ingredients ---the oven is ready [:*] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I seem to have a subjective memory of glimpsing, in that half-second > between realizing that a post I've clicked on is from MZ and reaching > for the Next button, him saying something about his mind having an > objective component. I got the impression, in the second that I paused, > considering this, that he believes that the very fact that he has had a > subjective experience or belief that something is true *makes* it true, > objective fact. I shrugged and clicked Next. In retrospect, I might not > even have seen this. I might have imagined it in that second-and-a-half > before Nexting away. I'm honest enough about the nature of MY subjective > experience to admit that this is a possibility. > > Today, fresh off my McLuhanist rap, I'm pondering this possibility > further. CAN one's subjective experience ever be considered to be > synonymous with objective fact? > > I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say No. > > I know that I said earlier that this discussion was one that I no longer > had much interest in, but that was before I saw many people I had > formerly considered sane, rational beings say that their subjective > impressions of what it was like to spend time with a powerful spiritual > teacher trump fact. Their subjective experiences *are*, to them, fact. > Anything else is an illusion, or a minor diversion, not worthy of > consideration. According to a few of these folks (fortunately very few), > the teacher in question never forced his attentions on any of his female > students, even though they have now heard first-hand testimony from > several of their fellow students saying that this was the case. They > assert that he was an impeccable and talented CEO in the world of > business, even though they have now heard testimony from guys who sold > the business they co-owned with him for 180 million dollars less than > its real value *just to get out of having to do business with him*. > > To be honest, some couch their choice to favor their positive subjective > impressions of the guy as perfect as opinion, and that is just fine in > my...uh...opinion. Nothing I know or believe about the guy is objective > fact; it's just MY opinion, and I respect them having their own. But a > few present their opinion as if it were objective fact, and that I'm > less down with. > > Suffice it to say that I've seen the same 'tude here. I would suggest > that many more people on this forum believe that their subjective > impressions of reality constitute fact than would ever admit to > believing this in public. But is it true? CAN your subjective experience > ever be considered fact? CAN it ever be considered reflective of > objective reality? CAN it ever be considered Truth? > > I throw this question out hoping that some who believe the answers to > these questions are Yes will take the time to explain why they believe > this. Robin? Jim? Rory? JohnR? Nabby? Others? I don't think I"m alone > here in suspecting that you believe this. If you do, WHY? What has > convinced you that subjective really does equal objective? Can you > explain it to those of use who don't quite get it, and can see other > possibilities? >
