Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good
way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is
probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum
carry it away. -Buck in FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead
> to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is
> introduced by some "experts," of a particular meditation to the user, causing
> a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, "WTF is that?" Now how can
> the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos
> hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as
> simple meditation and use a phrase, "This is the way the Guru wanted it to go
> and the way it always has been passed down.." All the while, "experts,"
> adding addendums of "higher knowledge," to the thought process of the
> user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the "expert," decides changing that
> user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and
> behave different as "I tell them" (from the stand point of the expert)..
> Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching?
> ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the
> integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a
> statement/question like this, as, "unstressing," and to ignore such a
> thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind?
> Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any "discipline," should be
> given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self.
> This is where I do not understand why so many are not "allowed," in the domes
> after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a
> privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people
> to peace through a taught meditation?
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
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> > Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one
> > wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a
> > formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people
> > coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also
> > provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual
> > communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following
> > out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring
> > for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last
> > for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of
> > experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish
> > in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social
> > contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time.
> > Life-cycle in utopia.
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> > > "First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming
> > > behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed?
> > > "Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward
> > > another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when
> > > differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them?
> > > "Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to
> > > educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of
> > > plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against
> > > reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they
> > > encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently?
> > > "Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance
> > > on all occasions?
> > > "Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the
> > > circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected
> > > and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they
> > > are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of
> > > their children?
> > > "Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against
> > > ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods
> > > taken in war; and against lotteries.
> > > "Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds
> > > of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business
> > > beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are
> > > they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their
> > > contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And
> > > where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care
> > > extended to them?
> > > "Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and
> > > impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be
> > > reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed
> > > upon them?
> > >
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