--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Good stuff. Two observations on awakening: Before awakening, the 
> self burns with the desire to awaken, every action and thought is 
> scrutinized with regard to its relationship to awakening. Guilt 
and 
> fear play large parts in the serious seeker's life, because every 
> action and thought is judged as bringing one closer, or driving 
one 
> further away, from awakening. Before awakening, analysis of states 
> of consciousness and 'what the teacher said' become of paramount 
> importance in the seeker's life.
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> -----I couldn't agree less.  I started awakening sitting at bars 
snorting coke, smoking weed, while on methadone,  getting 
shitfaced.  I was wearing a strand of three faced rudraksha with a 
one faced guru bead.  Shortly before 9/11 the devas started poking 
out of everything and I said, "That's it, I must have broken a blood 
vessel in my brain." Then they never went away again.  So instead of 
deciding I was crazy I decided to search the experience out on the 
internet, all the while going, "Why me?  I'm nothing special!  I'm 
just a typical dumbass in New orleans who likes to party." 

Interesting, your last statement ('Why me...'). I've often felt 
exactly the same way. And in the above description of my preawakened 
state, I was referring to my inner state of mind and heart. I chose 
not to comment on my outer behaviors.

> 
> I didn't have to do anything, and I mean anything to awaken.  Now 
I'm glad you used the word awakening because I'm anything but 
enlightened. Though I know what it means and will mean, if I make it 
there. 
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> After awakening, everything is more easily known. Spiritual 
> knowledge becomes more like any other knowledge. More balanced. If 
> it requires too much effort to know, find out later. Compared to 
the 
> earlier state, it almost seems as if one becomes indifferent to 
> spiritual matters. The interest is still there, and yet finding 
out 
> is more like floating down a river vs climbing a mountain.
> 
> This is true. There's no mysteries in heaven that I can't figure 
out within a few moments. 
> 
> But I've found that I have to put more effort into spiritual 
practice or I really totally go off the program, and based on what 
you know of me I guess you can figure out what that means.  
> 
> It's different for everybody. 
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