On Aug 11, 2005, at 6:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Others can comment if they'd like. One's mileage may, > of course, vary on this subject, but I'd suspect that > those here who have experienced awakenings would tend > to agree that a certain level of self-trust is neces- > sary for the realization to happen in the first place > and then to sustain itself. It'll be interesting to > see what people here think of this question. > > But since you're asking me, yes, I'm convinced that > self-trust is *critical* to realization of higher > states of consciousness. That doesn't mean that you > might not get a "second opinion" if you find one you > trust, but the bottom line is that your own experience > is telling you one thing and the "second opinion" is > telling you another, you're at a crossroads. At that > point you either step beyond the barrier of self doubt > and embrace your own realizations or you choose to > believe the "outside authority" and reject them.
It's ciritcal fine point. In Mahasandhi/Dzogchen it's considered essential to gain "confidence of the View" or "certainty of the View". The View is the central quality of the state of consciousness in question, your own inner darshana. This is essential to proceeding correctly as otherwise one remains in doubt--or the ego intervenes and fills in it's own blanks, which is always dangerous. Once you gain the perspective or POV of Unity, one checks the experience with the teacher. After one has gained this confidence, it's so much easier to proceed "alone" as one no longer needs to rely on external verification, but instead the state of presence becomes a state beyond verification. But the teacher is essential IMO in this first critical step. After that the teacher/guru seems to internalize and one is guided from the inner guru, which only sometimes takes external form, sometimes not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
