--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I know this conversation is with Tom, > > > > > and I honestly don't want to get in the > > > > > way of it, but just as a question, which > > > > > do you think comes first -- the physical > > > > > feelings of discomfort, or the resistance > > > > > to Self? > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do you think that some- > > > > > thing happens on a physiological level > > > > > and as a result the inclination to seek > > > > > more and more lessens? Or could it be > > > > > that one resists the inclination to seek > > > > > more and more, resists the Self, and the > > > > > physiological sensations are the result? > > > > > > > > At what level would you make a distinction? > > > > > > Well, that's two people so far who have > > > been afraid to offer an opinion. :-) > > > > Did you miss the joke? > > Did you miss that the joke was a way of > avoiding the question? :-)
Did you miss that Barry's putdown was a way of avoiding dealing with what Lawson said? > IMO, it's really the key issue in many > ways. Does a person's world view state that > the thing that "keeps them from realizing > enlightenment" has a physical basis, and > some kind of physical reality, or are the > physical symptoms described just that, the > inevitable karmic result of resisting > enlightenment? Stated differently, which > comes first -- does the physical discomfort > prevent realization of enlightenment, or > does *resisting* the realization of enlight- > enment cause the physical discomfort? Neither. > The former world view is a way of clinging > to excuses. "It's not me that is preventing > my realization of enlightenment...it's all > of these physical feelings of discomfort > (often labeled "stress"). If they weren't > present, I'd realize enlightenment." Nor does this have anything to do with my response to Barry. Note that having pretended great interest in how I would respond to his question about my reply to Tom, now that I have clarifying what I said, Barry has failed to follow up. Instead, he's continuing to criticize his *mistaken* interpretation of my response to Tom with Sparaig as if I'd never corrected it. > The latter is more like dropping the act > and saying to oneself, "There IS no obstacle > to realization of enlightenment, physical or > otherwise. Every spiritual teacher worth their > salt in history has told me that I am already > enlightened, so why not believe it, and drop > this crutch of an excuse?" In other words: Don't trust your own experience. Believe what the authorities tell you. In my experience, > dropping the excuses can open the doorway to > the realization of enlightenment. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
