Right, right, I meant "attempting to lash out" - it sounds more cartoonish and impotent, in-line with Barry's fantasies...
--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > Wait, wait...I want to lash out angrily too > > But we've only been "attempting to lash out," according > to Barry. Do you mean you're *really* going to lash out > at him rather than just *attempting* to do so like the > rest of us? > > (Barry has a lot of trouble keeping his rhetoric under > control, especially when he's trying to put over > something he knows is dishonest.) > > > > > > , all TB bat-shit crazy, Supposedly Enlightened and obsessed with Barry (Yo, > Turq, did I get all of my labels right?): > > > > Again, Barry ignores all of the glaring inconsistencies with Freddy and > > only mentions much smaller ones wrt Maharishi. My take is that Lenz has > > made Barry so confused, one minute calling him his favorite fair haired boy > > and the next castigating him or pushing his buttons, that Barry doesn't > > even know what to think about Freddy, as he has said here before. So he > > deflects it towards Maharishi. Barry's posts should be featured in > > Psychology Monthly, as examples of one messed up cult follower. > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > What I've found interesting since starting this thread > > > > is that no one -- not even the near-professional apol- > > > > ogists on this forum -- have attempted *to* create a > > > > rational explanation for how bouncing on their butts > > > > creates world peace. Most have just gone the "kill the > > > > messenger" route and attempted to lash out at the > > > > person who pointed out (correctly) how absurd it is. > > > > > > I'm going to "attempt to lash out" at Barry too and > > > point out that while it's correct to say that the > > > claim that "bouncing on their butts creates world > > > peace" is indeed absurd, it isn't the claim that is > > > actually made, and Barry knows this. He has grossly > > > distorted the claim to *make* it absurd, so his > > > demand for a "rational explanation" is disingenous > > > in the extreme. (How badly he messed up the *history* > > > is another issue for another post.) > > > > > > When the messenger delivers a false message, as > > > Barry has done, he should expect to be killed > > > (metaphorically, of course). Complaining about it as > > > if it *weren't* to be expected is yet another layer > > > of disingenuity. > > > > > > There's a perfectly good *metaphysical* explanation > > > for why large-group practice of the TM-Sidhis > > > techniques might foster world peace, and Barry knows > > > this too. If he wanted to assert that the explanation > > > is absurd because metaphysics, in his worldview, is > > > absurd, that would be an honest comment on its own > > > terms. > > > > > > Except that when you look at Barry's explanations for > > > Lenz's various purportedly miraculous feats--levitation > > > and golden light and so on--as taking place in an > > > "alternate reality," it's clear that Barry's worldview > > > does *not* hold metaphysics to be absurd. > > > > > > So that wouldn't be an "out" for him. And he'd have a > > > very hard time arguing that his metaphysical > > > explanation for Lenz's feats was somehow "better" or > > > more reasonable than the metaphysical explanation > > > for why large-group TM-Sidhis practice might create > > > world peace. At least there's a fairly detailed > > > rationale for the Maharishi Effect, whereas his just > > > flatly asserts the existence of an "alternate reality" > > > in which some people can operate (himself included, of > > > course)and others can't. > > > > > > And given that premise, it makes him look pretty > > > silly when he mocks TMers' purported "specialness." > > > > > > The attempt by TM scientists to come up with a quasi- > > > scientific explanation for the metaphysical premise > > > of the TM-Sidhis is a whole 'nother issue. I don't > > > think any of us here are knowledgeable enough about > > > quantum mechanics or string theory either to challenge > > > their explanation, *or* to evaluate the validity of > > > the challenges to it that have been made by the few > > > scientists to address it. So that pretty much remains > > > moot. > > > > > > Final point: As to why "bouncing on their butts creates > > > world peace" is a gross distortion of the claim for the > > > Maharishi Effect, both world peace and butt-bouncing > > > are, according to the metaphysical explanation, > > > *products* of practice of the TM-Sidhis. The latter is > > > not said to be the *cause* of the former. The cause of > > > both is held to be what TM-Sidhis practitioners do in > > > their heads when they practice the techniques. > > > > > > 'Nuff said. Barry would like to claim a great victory > > > for himself here as the exponent of rationality, but > > > as is so often the case, when he "wins," he does so > > > only in his own mind, by cheating. > > > > > > And now he cheats again: > > > > > > > In the Rama trip, about the worst I saw was an attempt > > > > to say that his frequent attempt to make predictions > > > > were always correct, the result of correct "seeing" or > > > > psychic abilities. > > > > > > Notice he doesn't mention Lenz's "alternate reality" > > > feats. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > People are funny. Having invested heavily in something > > > > or someone (especially when that emotional and intellec- > > > > tual investment is accompanied by a heavy financial > > > > investment), they'll tend to do almost *anything* to > > > > avoid dealing with the possibility that they might have > > > > made a mistake, or just been gullible. The only unusual > > > > aspect of that phenomenon in the TMO is *how long* many > > > > people have persisted in doing it, and how upset they > > > > get when someone points it out. > > > > > > A magnificent example of Barry's mastery of inadvertent > > > irony, given his own gullibility about Lenz's feats, > > > which he persists in maintaining many years later, even > > > after Lenz's ignominious suicide. > > > > > >
