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--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > As Llundrub pointed out yesterday, there is no
> > > > acceptance of the perfection of the world as
> > > > it is, only a compulsion to remake the world 
> > > > into the image of it his self dreams about.
> > > > And the closer he gets to dying, the more he
> > > > wants to make what a truly enlightened being
> > > > would have realized is already perfect "more
> > > > perfect," and the more money he needs to remake 
> > > > this already-perfect world in his own image.  
> > > > Strange, if you ask me...
> > > 
> > > And as I responded to Llundrub yesterday:
> > > 
> > > Maharishi was once asked why, if everything is
> > > perfect just as it is, TMers were working so
> > > hard to change things.
> > > 
> > > MMY replied, "That too is perfect just as it is."
> > 
> > And I'm certain that some people were as
> > impressed by this platitude at the time it
> > was originally spoken as you seem to be now.  :-)
> > 
> > Bottom line, in my opinion, is that Maharishi
> > is in the business of "selling futures."
> > 
> > Everything is in terms of some kind of payoff
> > *in the future*.  It started with "Just meditate
> > and you'll be enlightened in the future."  Then
> > it progressed to "Add this 'advanced technique'
> > to your daily meditation and you'll be enlight-
> > ened sometime in the future."  Then "Say these
> > words in English, taken from a $3.95 paperback
> > of the Yoga Sutras, and bounce on your butt 
> > and not only will you be enlightened in the
> > future, but the world will be, too."
> > 
> > Then "Take these pills and rub these oils on
> > your body and good things will happen in the
> > future."  Then "Get rid of that terrible
> > south-facing doorway and things will be better
> > in the future."  Now "Rebuild every building
> > in the world to eliminate south-facing door-
> > ways and the world will be enlightened.  In
> > the future, of course."
> > 
> > The "payoff" is never Here And Now.  The
> > payoff is always sometime in the future.
> > THAT is the single common denominator of 
> > everything Maharishi has ever taught and 
> > every "program" he has ever offered.
> > 
> > And in my opinion, *that* was "perfect just
> > as it was," because the vast majority of his
> > students didn't really *want* any of these
> > things -- enlightenment, world peace, what-
> > ever -- in the Here And Now.  They wanted to
> > believe in the remote possibility of them,
> > at some unspecified time in the future, while
> > basically staying the same and never messing
> > with the status quo of their lives.
> > 
> > They got what they wanted.  They got what 
> > they paid for.  They're still waiting, after
> > three or four decades, and all of these things
> > are still "in the future" for them.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, a few people got tired of waiting 
> > and focused on the Here And Now and they now 
> > experience enlightenment *in* the Here And Now,
> > on a daily basis.  Interestingly, these folks
> > who have found in the present what Maharishi
> > is still promising to the rest of his students
> > as something nebulous that will only happen 
> > in the future are no longer welcome in his 
> > movement.
> > 
> > And fascinatingly, when those who are experi-
> > encing enlightenment in the Here And Now speak 
> > of it to fellow students who are still waiting, 
> > those who have spent decades waiting for it to 
> > happen for them in the future react by getting 
> > angry and petulant and offended and disbelieving.  
> > 
> > It's just the most fascinating phenomenon,
> > as if those who are still waiting for the 
> > future believe that those who are no longer
> > waiting did something *offensive* by actually
> > finding and living what the waiters are still 
> > waiting for.  Rather than being inspired that 
> > some live enlightenment in the Here And Now, 
> > they actually resent it.  When those who are 
> > no longer waiting offer simple and practical 
> > and compassionate suggestions as to how the 
> > waiters could stop waiting, the waiters reject 
> > their advice completely and claim that the Here
> > And Now folks are trying to run their lives and
> > then they go back to waiting.
> > 
> > It's just the weirdest spiritual scene I've
> > ever run into.  :-)
> > 
> > On some level, all this waiting, all this 
> > avoidance of enlightenment as a Here And Now
> > phenomenon may actually *be* "perfect just as it
> > is."  But it sure strikes me as a pretty silly, 
> > self-indulgent form of perfection.
> 
> ...and one solution, Barry, to all this silliness is to just not do 
> TM...
> 
> Oh, wait, you DON'T do TM, do you...
> 
> So what's the problem?  Do you want your money back for all the time 
> you seem to feel you wasted doing TM twice a day for 20 minutes each 
> time (longer, I guess, when you practised the sidhis)?
> 
> Or do you feel you got something out of it?




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