--- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From my understanding and experience, it's important to get
> initiated into TM at the beginning, because of the precise way
> Maharishi, has structured the teaching, and the necessity of the
> principle of effortlessness, which needs to be checked post
> initiation.
>
> After learning the technique, I suppose the advanced techniques,
are
> given in the same way, to continue to invoke the Masters of the
Holy
> Tradition, and to give thanks for the knowledge.
>
> But, once someone has experience transcending, and also,
> experiencing witnessing, and the more subtle aspects of the
> knowledge and experience, then it's a whole different ball game.
> That's the whole point of becoming enlightened and becoming a
Master
> yourself.
>
> At some point you trust you intuition enough, to know what's good
> for you and what is not.
>
> As far as the use of Aum.
According to Monier-Williams, mantras with /aum/
are for /shuudras/. From the linguistic point of view,
we guess /aum/ can be considered the /vRddhi-grade/ "of"
/om/ which in its turn may be contraction of a + u + m !
~;0
u = u ("normal" grade; e.g. 'su' = to press)
a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma')
aa + u = au (vRddhi grade; e.g. 'saumya' = relating to 'soma')
> Again, this is my understanding:
>
> Aum is the basic sound of the absolute.
> Aum is the alpha and omega.
> Aum is the beginning and the end.
> Aum is good to do out loud, in a group or by yourself; it can be
> used for finding your, 'natural voice' as in singing, and can be
> used to strengthen the voice.
>
> Aum can also be added to a given Mantra, to complete the Mantra
> string.
> Like: Aum Shri Shivayai Namah Aum as a salutation to Shiva.
> A salutation to Shiva, is like a song to Shiva,
> And depending of the consciousness, and purity of intention, of the
> repeater of this mantra; will come the result of calling Shiva to
> you.
>
> That is my understanding of the use(s) of Aum, sort of like a
period
> at the end of a sentence;
> Like the "coming back to the simplest state of awareness";
>
> Like that; using Aum at the beginning and at the end solidifies the
> Mantra string.
>
> Someone might want to give this one a try during an approaching
> storm;
>
> Aum Shri Indra Namah Aum...
>
>
>
> > > Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced
> > > techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came
> out
> > of
> > > getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, "I can't
> believe I
> > > paid $1000 for that" and it ended up (he didn't tell me,
someone
> > else
> > > did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators
> know
> > > and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something
> you
> > > could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing
> > that?!
> > >
> >
> > So, there's no value to learning the mantra from the teacher, and
> you
> > should just learn it from a book or recording?
> >
> > I mean, perhaps that attitude is correct, but what's the
> difference
> > between learning a mantra from the teacher and learning some
> > other "technique" from the teacher?
> >
> > >
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