Actually, I do not measure up to the height of enlightenment or any at all, and also nor can I judge who is enlightened, because collectively, it can not be seen, who is enlightened at this time. If one looks to the stars and sees a path, that path leading to a purpose by any means needed to get there, the point of being for what one is born to experience,is the reason we are not in each other's heads because nature made it so we can not judge with any amount of intellect, the value of another, even if we think we can.
The only value one can get from an experience is a rise or jolt from the perception one has of another, if one is communicating with. Our own feelings reflect the view of what we think is responsible for our own suffering for us to see where we need to grow in ourselves. --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > Once about every six months you say something I can agree with, and you said > it here: > > "A lot of the "enlightened" just don't measure up to the hype about > enlightenment IMO. Just sayin'." > > Yes. EXACTLY - There Is SO MUCH HYPE About It, that it makes a normal > conversation about it almost impossible. Talk about preconceptions. Probably > only second to everyone's assumptions about death. > > Enlightenment grows from within. When it is apparent, its f*ckin' obvious, > and if it isn't that is obvious too. But it doesn't "do" anything, anymore > than we do anything when we wake up in the morning. It just happens as the > result of an intent desire. > > People who are awake inside, having taken root in silence, for the first time > in their endless progression of life, like to make it known at first. > Released from prison! Oh my god! Everything falls away, unravels. Sometimes > the unraveling takes place awkwardly, but if the person is true to their > silence within, the awkward stage doesn't last very long, and then on to the > next adventure; deeper silence. > > Enlightenment blossoms as an internal process though. Aside from some > sadhana, there really isn't much monkey see, monkey do in all of it. Not much > value in aping someone else's behavior, or attempting to judge it any further > than is it likable or not. Everyone's gotta live their life still. No one > gets out of here alive and all that. > > We somehow end up with this highly distorted story of what Enlightenment is, > and how the Enlightened are supposed to act, speak and think. Let's do > ourselves a favor and just drop it - basically a road to nowhere. > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > On Behalf Of whynotnow7 > > > > > > > > Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we > > > > reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to > > > > set this up as "a teachable moment" in which we align > > > > Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his > > > > consciousness, or his mental health? > > > > > > In my case, the latter. I'm interested in the correlation > > > between various stages of awakening and behavior, and also > > > in the common tendency for people to assume they are more > > > (or less) enlightened than they actually are. > > > > Well said. Especially coming from someone who has > > arguably sat down (either in person or via Skype) > > with more of the self-proclaimed enlightened than > > anyone else on this forum, or anywhere else, for > > that matter. > > > > More? Less? Even just "making par." > > > > A lot of the "enlightened" just don't measure up > > to the hype about enlightenment IMO. Just sayin'. > > > > What's your feeling about it all, Rick, this far > > into your BATGAP project? I'm honestly curious, > > and speak as a fan. I think what you're doing is > > important work. > > >
