--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > In essence, what MMY has done is hedge his bets. His organization 
IS 
> > going to create the groups of 8,000 and 40,000 if at all 
possible, 
> > but he's warning that there is no guarantee that this will be 
enough 
> > to achieve permanent world peace --that more must be done.
> > 
> > He's leaving the TMO an out if the Maharishi Effect doesn't work 
as 
> > predicted, in other words.
> 
> You are welcome to believe this.  Personally I don't.
> The "goal" of 8000 butt-bouncers could have been
> achieved decades ago if Maharishi had really wanted
> the ME theory put to the test.

And if the test didn't work as predicted, the TMO would simply have 
died. 

  The money was *always*
> available to pay for such an experiment to be done. It 
> wasn't done.

The goal has been for a very long time to create a *permanent* group. 
The money needed for a permanent group is far more than needed for 
a "test group."

  We have annecdotal evidence that he even 
> admitted to the Kaplans that he *didn't* want it done,
> that he *didn't* want it put to the test.

Only as the ultimate test of the viability of the TMO. There's no 
evidence that the ME will make the TMO more viable, if achieved. In 
fact, I can make a good case that the ME, if real, and obtained 
without a new goal for the TMO to work towards, would render the TMO 
obsolete very fast. My intuition is that MMY believes this as well.

> 
> So I'm unconvinced that the TMO -- either with MMY
> at its head or without him -- will ever actually pro-
> duce the number of butt-bouncers "needed" to put the
> ME theory to the test.  The desire to NOT have it
> put to the test (and thus possibly have it proven 
> untrue) will be stonger AFTER his death than it is 
> now.

But, as I said, MMY has given the organization an official "out" by 
stating that the ME won't be enough to guarantee permanent world 
peace. This leaves the door open to obtain what is now a short-term 
goal without disappointing the remaining true believers.

> 
> I could be wrong about this, but everything I've seen
> in the larger world of spirituality and in human 
> nature suggests that I'm not.  Why on earth would 
> people who want to keep believing in the basic infal-
> libility of a dead teacher want to put his theories
> to an actual test that might...just might...prove
> them untrue, and thus prove him fallible?  The TBs
> who survive Maharishi will want (consciously or 
> subconsciously) to do everything in their power to 
> NOT put things to the test, because inwardly they 
> don't want to ever have to deal with the possibility 
> that they spent decades of their lives blindly follow-
> ing someone just as fallible as they are.


You have missed my point, made extremely clearly I thought, that MMY 
has given the TM an excuse for why the ME isn't enough, so that is 
now a green light to attain what is now seen as a short-term goal, 
rather than the end-all and be-all of the TMO's purpose.

> 
> Just my opinion, as always.  Your mileage may vary...





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