Hi, welcome. We'd be all ears (or eyes, at any rate) if you were inclined to say more. Were you at MIU when MZ was?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey<I was there and it was the most disturbing, exciting, mysterious > experience I ever had. And what fun MZ is having with the internet, if only > that all existed back in the WTS days what far greater reach and influence he > could have had. Now, it all comes back to Fairfield Iowa. Amazing. But I > don't regret a thing. I loved every minute of it. My life is richer for the > people I met and the experiences I had. I'm not really thanking you RWC just > knowing it all made me who I am today. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living > > will testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you > > cannot furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would > > verify and substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. > > What reason do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons > > out there in the world who can present evidence of what happened in those > > seminars. But you can't, because you did not go through the experience. > > Sooner or later someone will speak up about their recollection of those > > daysand as soon as they do, I will immediately recognize they have > > provided the requisite evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. > > This is a striptease you are performing, Vaj, but you see, you never > > actually take off any part of your clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because > > sooner or later someone else *will*, and then you will have nothing to say > > in this regard, because I will remember this person. And they will thus be > > accorded the authority that you can never acquire. > > > > Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have > > here. > > > > And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the > > basis of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone > > a very long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years > > for which I must held accountable. My personal culpability. > > > > I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you > > would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the > > unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about > > myself. > > > > When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge > > just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that > > experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that > > you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi. > > > > But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there > > was unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, > > Vaj: I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, > > and until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are > > doing here at FFL. > > > > Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up > > > > on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them), > > > > "pointing out their weaknesses" and telling them exactly > > > > what kinds of demons were possessing them. > > > > > > > > Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of > > > > what went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on > > > > stage. > > > > > > Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were > > > "beating" them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them > > > with clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration. > > > > > > > If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very > > > > essence of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my > > > > enlightenment. Although not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a > > > > mature and unbiased perspectivewho was therewill eventually speak out > > > > on this forum I hope, and then we can hear the other side, which will > > > > be critical, but will not resemble in the least the description given > > > > here. > > > > > > I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the > > > things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now > > > that's something different, because there were (like old rounding > > > courses, etc.) a lot of remarkable humans. > > > > > > > There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I > > > > have already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these > > > > past 25 years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry > > > > :-)but perhaps now my streak will be broken. > > > > > > Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given > > > that you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as > > > Our Dear Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and > > > driven from the course by protective students. Incense would be lit. > > > > > > > You don't ever grasp a hold of reality when you argue like this, Barry. > > > > You systematically avoid contact with reality. And it shows. Not to > > > > Steve, but to a few others I would think. (I mean besides the horrible > > > > woman Judynow talk about abuse: did you read some of her recent posts > > > > to me, Barry? Now *that's* what I call abuse.) > > > > > > Robindra, by the Grace of G_d, open your third eye! > > > > > >
