--- In [email protected], awoelflebater <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> > Are we allowed to put photos on our posts and if so how? Also, I sent
> a picture to the album 'FFL members' and it hasn't appeared. Any ideas?
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], awoelflebater <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, sorry, told you I was not great with computers. Here it is:
> > > > I am female, 55 years old, American/Canadian dual citizen but
> > > > American citizen originally. I live in Victoria, BC. I own two
> > > > retail stores, was a professional horse rider/trainer for 30
> > > > years. I am married to a non-WTS Canadian man. Have three dogs,
> > > > two horses and don't meditate regularly anymore. Two step kids,
> > > > well grown up.
> > > > Do you need a picture or other info?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the info, but I wasn't really looking for it.
> > > I was just trying to point out that the profile you thought
> > > was publicly viewable wasn't, and thus to the casual reader
> > > you were just as anonymous as any of the other anonymous
> > > posters here.
> > >
> > > Thanks also (in another post) for your update on what brought
> > > you here. What you wind up posting or not posting is up to
> > > you, and I wish you well with it.
> > >
> > > I guess the only thing I'm wondering about is the thing that
> > > seems to have set Robin off the most in his interactions
> > > with Vaj. Vaj says that he and other people witnessed RWC
> > > becoming violent with his students, including pushing or
> > > shoving them onstage or allegedly actually hitting them.
> > > Robin claims that this is not true, and that it was *never*
> > > true.
> > >
> > > Me, because I wasn't there, I don't know. If you have any
> > > light to shed on this it would be interesting, because I
> > > for one don't trust the memory of what he did and did not
> > > do 25 to 30 years ago to a person I suspect could have been
> > > more than a little delusional at the time.
> > >
> > > My experience with spiritual teachers or former spiritual
> > > teachers who look back on their lives is that their version
> > > of events is *rarely* to be trusted. They tend to practice
> > > revisionist history on their own history. IMO many times
> > > they do this unconsciously or subconsciously, at other times
> > > they do it quite consciously. I know, for example, that if
> > > one had asked the fellow I hung with for a while (Rama -
> > > Frederick Lenz) whether he had ever struck any of his
> > > students, he would have looked straight into the asker's
> > > face (or into the camera) and declared an emphatic "No."
> > > In my opinion he would even have *believed* it as he was
> > > saying it. But since I actually witnessed him doing this
> > > a couple of times, and have heard first-hand testimony
> > > from others confirming that he struck them, I have come
> > > to the conclusion that his version of events was not to
> > > be trusted.
> > >
> > > This is what I'm curious about with regard to RWC. He seems
> > > to be claiming emphatically that he never struck any of his
> > > students, at any time. Others claim the opposite. You're
> > > the first person to appear here who seems to have been in
> > > a position to comment on these claims and counter-claims
> > > one way or another. I can certainly understand if you don't
> > > want to, but that was my main motivation in urging you to
> > > go into a little more depth about what it was like to be
> > > around him in those days.
> > >
> > > Suit yourself. Talk, don't talk, whatever. :-) I'm just
> > > clarifying what I was really trying to convey to you orig-
> > > inally. That is, that in your early posts here you seemed
> > > to assume that many or most of us already knew what it
> > > was like to actually be part of WTS and hang with Robin
> > > at that time. We don't. All that we do know are in the
> > > form of claims and counter-claims, all as yet unresolved.
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], awoelflebater <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that
> > > > > > little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it
> > > > > > will come up with a profile page. Then click on "your
> > > > > > profile" and it will come up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tried that. It comes up with a big "Not Found" page for me.
> > > > > You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but
> > > > > we may be unable to see it because of the settings you
> > > > > chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up
> > > > > your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect
> > > > > that this is the issue; I never see any "Your Profile"
> > > > > link.
> > > > >
> > > > > > But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle
> > > > > > Bater. What is a TB?
> > > > >
> > > > > Good to meet you. TB is an acronym for True Believer. No
> > > > > offense intended, but if you hung in there with Robin
> > > > > through all the ups and downs, I suspect you probably
> > > > > qualified at the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, I'm more interested in who you are today. As
> > > > > hinted at in my earlier messages, I don't really have
> > > > > that much interest in Robin, past or present. What I do
> > > > > have an abiding interest in is people's experiences with
> > > > > groups or organizations that they later come to describe
> > > > > with the word "cult." Been there, done that. I love to
> > > > > hear other people's impressions of what that was like for
> > > > > them -- at the time, during the "walking away" process if
> > > > > that happened, and now, in retrospect. That's all I was
> > > > > encouraging you to rap about, and only if you feel
> > > > > comfortable doing so. My original posts were meant as
> > > > > a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest
> > > > > clue what "studying with RWC" or attending his seminars
> > > > > or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do
> > > > > leaves us in the dark.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], awoelflebater
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you
> > > > > > > > either know me or you don't know me, "very likely" doesn't
> > > > > > > > enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike
> you,
> > > > > > > > am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you
> > > > > > > > my name, my history and I posted a profile picture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excuse me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but
> > > > > > > these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego-
> > > > > > > inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see
> > > > > > > not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo
> > > > > > > itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing
> > > > > > > something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a
> > > > > > > Big Player in something that was at most a tiny,
> > > > > > > unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near
> > > > > > > tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really
> > > > > > > that big of a deal. :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should
> > > > > > > remember and almost revere your experiences, when in
> > > > > > > actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we
> > > > > > > weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't
> > > > > > > all that important*. To you, all involved in them,
> > > > > > > they might have seemed more important, but to me,
> > > > > > > it's a little like the two of you are describing
> > > > > > > going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating
> > > > > > > it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try to remember that most here don't have any idea
> > > > > > > what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want
> > > > > > > to say something about what it was like to hang
> > > > > > > with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > >
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