--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold > blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. > > > > > > > > > Is that fact based? My understanding is that Che's personal acts > of killing were mostly limited to the period of 19591963 when he was > Commander of the La Cabana Fortress prison where he had > responsibilities for trials and executions of many former Batista > regime officials, including members of the secret police. The > account of the number executed varies -- some sources say 156 people, > others estimate as many as 500. Some say that he signed execution > orders for some of the above without trials. But while justice may > have been short-served a bit, the prisoners were hardly the "the > common man and the disadvantaged" -- they were the henchmen of a > bloody repressive regime. As far as "killing in cold blood", -- well I > guess most prision executions after a revolution are not pretty, but I > am not aware of evicence that they were gruesome. I guess you are > being literal and in that sense most the killings in Irag are also > "in cold blood". > > > > 1) Many were children that he executed; > > > In your cites, I can find no evidence of this. I assume you are mixing > up Castro's autrocities with those specifically under Che's control. > Che had authority over executions La Cabana Fortress prison. I am > unaware of any other period where he had such control. Can you cite > any, specifically?
Go to the 6th paragraph: http://www.brookesnews.com/051804Guevara.html That was the underlying point of my original post. > You seem to equate the actions of Castro with those of Che, not a > useful blurring IMO, when one is trying to understand Che -- the good, > bad and the ugly. You seem to hold on to the myth that Che and Castro > ruled Cuba on near equal terms. It just is not so. Che had quite > limited authority vis a vis all of Cuba. And left in 1963 because of > such constraints. Yes, I was aware of that. > > > > 3) "In cold blood" well, the period that you cite -- 4 years -- is > > more than enough time to establish a tribunal. > > My point about "in cold blood" is that it is an appeal to emotion, an > oft use logical fallacy. When we read the executions were "in cold > blood", I guess we are supposed to feel, "well that does it!!! "In > cold blood", well that totally evil PIG!!!", where as I suppose we > would feel better towards Che, perhaps even kind of warm and fuzzy, if > we learned that the prisoners were executed "in warm blood". > > The point being, the words "in cold blood" have no meaning in fact, > they are simply a rhetorical device to manipulate the emotions of the > naive. I am guilty, unconsciouly to doing the same, but its helpful, > to me at least, to point out such logical gaps to tighten ones ability > to read whats on the page, and to write more clearly. "In cold blood" = no due process. Something that SHOULD have been established after four years... > > > > > > > Though Che became a leader in the ragtag band, initially composed > > of only a handful of guerillas, along with Castro, that against huge > odds, did succeed in overthrowing Batista -- by all accounts a > > quite corrupt guy whose policies harmed the vast majority of Cubans. > > > > You really need to read up on Batista and his regime. Cuba had a > > standard of living which rivalled many European nations and was at > > or near the top in terms of Latin America. They were a nation in > > which Europeans emigrated to. > > I should and will (read up on Bastista Cuba). The wage levels in your > article were interesting. However, I would like to see, and will look > for, corroboration from other sources, given yours has a clearly right > slant. (e.g., under Breaking News: "Cindy Sheahon Desecrates Sones > Grave." Sound more like a rightish POV editorial than "Breaking News" > to me. ) > > > > Maybe it was repressive but compared to Cuba today, it was > > Disneyland...plus, unlike Che and Fidel, when Batista threw Castro > > into prison, he didn't kill him. Che and Fidel killed virtually > > anyone that was a threat to them. > > Again you appear to be mixing up and equating the historic Che with > Castro. > > > > > > But after the revolution succeeded, Castro fearing the charisma of > his guerilla-band brother, kept Che at a distance to himself and the > major Cuban power centers. After 1963, Che focused on planning for > revolutions in South America and Africa and had even less to do > with Cuban policy. > > > > > > ...and thank god the CIA killed him...wonder how much havoc he would > > have wreaked had he not been killed... > > Or some corrupt banana republic dictators might have been overthrown. As horrible as "corrupt banana republic dictators" are/were, they have NEVER been as bad as the alternative if that alternative is to be communism. It's the lesser of two evils... > > > > > So again, are your assertions about Che based in face? If so, > > please share with us. Or are you simply generalizing to the whole > Cuban revolution? > > > > Check out the following on Fidel and some on Che: > > > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18739 > > > > > > The following is mostly on Che: > > > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12467 > > Thanks. I read them. They seem to substantiate my point of > the original and this post: you appear to simply be generalizing the > whole Cuban revolution and attributing such to Che's specific > historical actions, blurring and/or equating Che and Castro. They were > different men. And did different things. And had different levels of > authority to do things. > > I am not trying to defend Che, I am simply trying to understnd him, > separating the man from the myth. Both the leftist myths and the > rightist myths. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
