--- In [email protected], "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@...> wrote:
> 
> > And universal consciousness may be more than just an
> > idea; it may be the experiential realization of
> > some people.
> 
> I guess the question there is whether you can trust
> the experience to be what it appears to be or whether
> it is just a consequence of jiggering around with our
> heads via drugs or meditation or even mental illness
> and concluding that because we have no boundaries that
> must be how it is. Surely people in these states 
> would be able to come up with some sort of testable
> statement even if it only compares theoretically,

I don't know whether that last is true. What they
can do is tell you how to have the same experience
for yourself--that's testable, but of course only
subjectively.

> but I haven't seen any evidence for that, even king
> Tony's "cognizance" only stems so far as a book he
> read appearing in human physiology, whatever that
> means

I don't either. I've never heard what he's done
described that way.

 (and I've read it - utterly surreal that any
> scientist could be so uncritical)
> 
> The universe we perceive in our heads is a picture
> based on info from our senses, change the way bits
> of our brain relate to create that picture and you
> have the unbounded sense that we all know and love,
> is how I see it.

You could well be right. But what I was addressing
was your statement that it was only "an idea" or a
"guru belief." 


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