--- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > >> --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > >> <anartaxius@> wrote: > > >>> John, > >>> > >>> We see people die all the time. The universe does not disappear > >>> for those still living. > >> > >> Did somebody suggest otherwise? > >> > > That's precisely the point I was making. I'm not sure if Xeno read my post > > carefully and objectively. > > > > JR > > > It is that some people have a strong belief that when they die, things are > going to be pretty much like it is for them now, but they will be in another > place. Perhaps I scrambled my thought here, stating the obvious, as I was > thinking of those for whom there is the belief the universe will not > disappear, that they will still be somewhere. > > x = ego, individuated awareness > y = the delusion that allows ego > z = enlightenment > > x - y = z > > The ego minus the delusion that forms it results in enlightenment. > > But the delusion and the ego are really the same, > > so x = y > > We can then write > > x -x = z > > The end of the ego, the sense of self, small 's' results in enlightenment > > x - x = 0 > > Therefore > > 0 = z > > Enlightenment is a cipher, that is, nothing > > A perfect commentary on maya, 'that which is not'. > > We can also write > > x - x = z and rewrite it as > > x = z + x > > In other words the value of enlightenment is always present if x is present > or not. > > Let's add other egos p1 p2 p3 to each side of the equation e.g., p1 = p1 is a > tautology and can be added to any equation without changing its 'truth value'. > > x - y =z > > resulting in > > x - y + p1 + p2 + p3 = z + p1 + p2 + p3 > > And we can subsitute delusion y1, y2, y3 for some of the p values > > x - y + p1 + p2 + p3 = z + y1 + y2 + y3 > > This is how creation works, its all in the mind manipulating symbols, and > creating equivalences for those symbols that the mind invents to carve up > experiential existence into discrete values. > > But when you simplify the equation to its simplest value it always comes out > > 0 = z > > the big nothing. > > So you have all the values of creation and the value of its source and it is > all equivalent to nothing. Why do we spend so much time talking about this? > Much ado about nothing. > > This is the meaning of the phrase in the Bible 'when you clothe mortality > with immortality, then death, where is thy sting? >
Xeno, It's not about nothing. It's about everything. Here's Dr. John Hagelin explaining some of the issues we've been discussing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM&feature=related JR
