--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > I'll put it differently: > > if there is a choice, there is also a chooser.
There is no choice. It is choiceless awareness. > > L. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > You're sure about this, are you... Yes, absoutely. From everything you have said here, I am absolutely sure that you don't know about it, and that's okay. You cannot relate from your on experience, and then project it to what I and for example Xeno or Empty were saying. I accept, that whatever you say, is the way for you, you cannot go any other way. But you have not enough knowledge to comment on the instructions of other teachers like SSRS, or even Guru Dev, or Swami Shantanand Saraswathi. To believe that these later two, didn't know how to meditate correctly is just hilarious and arrogant. > > > > L > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And again: > > > > > > > > noticing something, however subtle, even the first glimmering of > > > > awareness of awareness, is no longer pure consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Lawson, not trying to be arrogant here, but the states Empty and I are > > > talking about, you simply don't know. You really have no glue. You are > > > just talking from a script. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Empty, this is simply superb, best post of the week IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lawson. > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not seem to understand SSRS's instructions about meditation > > > > > > with > > > > > > a mantra. Is this because you have never heard those instructions? > > > > > > > > > > > > SSRS pointed out that a meditator does not need to place attention > > > > > > back > > > > > > upon the mantra during meditation just because they become aware > > > > > > they > > > > > > are not "thinking the mantra". Recognition of "not thinking > > > > > > the mantra" does not itself constitute a requirement to "think > > > > > > the mantra". Likewise, the realization of "not thinking the > > > > > > mantra" does not, in itself, constitute "a form of > > > > > > thinking". > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple. The nature of awareness is witnessing > > > > > > (sakshi-j�ana). This is pure Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the field of experience subsides with the ceasing (nirodha) of > > > > > > every external or internal experience, including the termination of > > > > > > I-consciousness (aham-pratyaya), what remains is the awareness that > > > > > > is > > > > > > naturally present as the inner self (pratyag-atman). > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is a seer (drista). It is not the cognizer of a cognitive > > > > > > activity (pramata). It is not a knower (j�aatri), a doer (kartri) > > > > > > or > > > > > > an enjoyer (bhoktri) but rather is knowingness itself. The seer is > > > > > > the > > > > > > witness-consciousness (sakshin) which witnesses the ending of all > > > > > > forms > > > > > > of experience during meditation and simply remains as is, > > > > > > uninvolved and > > > > > > prior to all experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > SSRS's instruction is founded upon this realization and is the > > > > > > pointing-out instruction which allows meditators to remain as they > > > > > > truly > > > > > > are. They remain, during this period of "silent awareness", as > > > > > > sheer seeing (dristi-matrataa) until cognitive, affective or sensory > > > > > > activity causes limited identification once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus recognizing or remembering the mantra occurs as a natural > > > > > > consequence rather than from a demand to "think the mantra". > > > > > > ...................................................................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
