--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@...> wrote: > > > > The examples you cite are not of people being "controlled" by the TMO. They > are examples of people being excluded from the dome, which is quite > different. No one is being controlled. People are making choices, that's all. > If someone excludes you from their club, do you feel "controlled"?
Depends, if the club is the place where I live my life, and if the club makes demands on my life style, and quite possible on my inner attitude, AND make this clear to me in unmistakeble terms, the execute control. TM is more than just a club they joined, which could be substituted by any other club around the corner at any time. It's a lifestyle, and it's a beliefsystem as well. You will notice this once you leave. > I doubt it. Rejected, perhaps, but that's something else. I don't know why > people feel so bitter about it. It's not bitterness, it's my experience and my opinion. > If the club they want to join excludes them, they are free to join another > one. It's a matter of freedom of choice, not coercion. > You have never thought yourself into this situation. That's why your argument is so superficial. People love Maharishi, it's not just a club, and you could rejoin a club any time. A more apt comparision would be a relationship, a marriage that breaks up. People are literally married to the movement. The movement is in their brains, not just through meditation (that's the good thing), but also through everything they know and believe. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > I know many people who go to the dome and I cannot think of a single one > > > who is "controlled" by the TMO. The whole idea seems ludicrous to me. I > > > think it was cooked up by people who don't live here and have no real > > > clue about the way things are in Fairfield. The TMO, through the dome > > > programs (for which no charge is made), is in fact performing a service > > > for the community. The reason the malcontents can't recognize this is > > > because they can only see through the lens of their own negativity. > > > > > > > That's rubbish and a prejudice. Ask Buck, ask me. I know many people who > > have made this experience, and I have made it myself. I my case it is long > > time back, but it's first hand experience. Feste, you are just in denial. > > If you have no negative experience, it is nice for you, you just never came > > into any conflict yourself, so I am glad for you. > > > > I just recently ran into an old friend, he is still fully in the movement, > > and he was shocked that he was denied access to the domes, after 40 years > > in TM, being a governor and belonging to a prominent movement group. The > > denial of access was a pure act of punishment, for something nobody here on > > FFL would consider a serious issue. It is because of him that I > > re-published this video on youtube. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg > > > > I had taken it off already, when seemingly Bucks case had been resolved, > > but as long a access to the domes is used as a sanction, as a punishment, I > > will leave it on the net, to warn everybody. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tea wrote: As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, > > > > or as long as they want to participate in the common group program, so > > > > long the > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > My reply: Tea, I'm sorry that you've had such a bad experience with > > > > the TMO. I wish there were something even now I could do in some zany > > > > way, to make amends. Maybe something will come to me. Same for > > > > Buck. > > > > > > > > Share, like many here I had good and also bad experiences with the TMO. > > Life is a mix of many things. That I left was utimately good for me, and I > > think it came in the right moment. But truthfully, I do not want to be part > > of a movement that is oppressive in this particular way. Why do they use > > the group program to put pressure on peoples lifes and faith? This to me is > > not an acceptable policy. > > > > So my decission was and is, to not put myself at the mercy of the likes of > > Bevan and the Rajas, even though I may know some of them personally. If you > > are happy there, Share, fine. But basically, given the situation as it is, > > you will always be vulnerable. As Feste says so aptly, as long as they own > > the house, they can do with you what they want. (i.e. deny access for > > whatever reason they like) > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile I want to address what you say above because it relates to > > > > what you describe as unforgiveable. I simply want to say that I go to > > > > the Dome. AND I do not feel that the TMO has me in their hands nor > > > > are controlling me. In fact, if I ponder about it, I don't even think > > > > they want to control me.  Wouldn't that be silly anyway, given > > > > increased field independence with TM? > > > > If they wouldn't want to control people, why do they then set up these > > strange rules? Share, at the moment you 'fit in', and there is no problem. > > But at the moment they would get on you for any of the other activities you > > have been doing, Ammachi, your interest in other techniques of emotional > > release, Arunachala (if you would ever want to travel there), all these > > things could become an issue of conlict at a time. And depending how > > important the group program is for you this conflict could become > > existential. It has been so for many people for many years. > > > > > > Again I'm sorry for your bad experience with TMO. You do seem mostly > > > > at peace about it. > > > > Yep. But it upsets me if my friends I have known for decades, are still in > > this situation. That is why I sympathize with Buck, because I have been in > > exactly the same situation for years. > > > > >� I'm grateful for that. And that you're here. And that you've been > > >willing to engage with such a TBer as me (-: > > > > > > > > I never felt any hostility from you Share. I feel hostility only from > > people who call me purposefully negative. But they may be forgiven. They > > don't know. Enjoy your life, Share. Everything will be fine for you I feel. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:33 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious Practices > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > When I first signed the agreement form, it as just short before we > > > > received the TM initiator initiation, I thought that it was a mere > > > > formality, and I thought that the term purity of the teaching related > > > > to teaching the 7 steps of TM. 7 steps. Intro lecture, prep lecture, > > > > personal interview, initiation - the puja, the mantras, the 'steps', > > > > and the 3 days checking. That's it, I thought. > > > > > > > > But now I learn, that signing this agreement form, was like signing a > > > > blanco checque, that anything could be added to this term, be it > > > > Ayurveda, Vastu, Maharishi Jyotish, Maharishi natural products etc etc. > > > > > > > > And now I learn, that the purity of the teaching relates to all of > > > > them, and we don't even know what is yet to come, which will fall under > > > > this term. The purity of the teaching is really a whore. > > > > > > > > Knowing all this development, we should have at least have one week of > > > > lectures just about the agreement form. I think there was one lecture > > > > by Maharishi, playing it more or less down. > > > > > > > > At the times I signed it first, there were no domes yet, no group > > > > flying, no Ayurveda, no Vastu or Maharishi Jyotish, no Maharishi honey > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > What I find unforgivable, is the fact, that the group program, which is > > > > really the holy grail of the movement is being instrumentalized as a > > > > means of punishment, of sanctioning, and if Buck is correct, to impart > > > > the rules they make, would allow them to spy on people and behave in a > > > > manner which only the secret service does. And even more so, do this > > > > out of a basically economic reason, as several posters here agree. > > > > Where is the purity of the teaching in all this? > > > > > > > > At the moment I learned about the purity of the teaching, it was about > > > > 'capture the fort, and all else will be given to you'. No need for > > > > special services and add on techniques. Now you are jeopardizing the > > > > purity of the teaching if you buy the wrong house, or the wrong honey > > > > or the get the wrong horoscope. And of course, you didn't know anything > > > > about this, hen you signed this paper at your TTC. > > > > > > > > As long as people feel this commitment to go to the domes, or as long > > > > as they want to participate in the common group program, so long the > > > > movement will have you in their hands, they will be able to control > > > > people. > > > > > > > > I cannot feel such a commitment on the basis of the experiences I had > > > > when starting to meditate. While I see the value of TM, especially for > > > > the beginner, I don't see it's exclusiveness. Transcendence to me > > > > predates any experience, I had anticipations of transcendence before > > > > TM, I had experiences before too. > > > > > > > > And, of course, I had many experiences after. So I cannot fee obliged > > > > my whole life to one particular experience, and let it enclose my life > > > > in one particular pattern. > > > > > > > > The same is true for you Robin, quite obviously and even much more > > > > dramatically, but I cannot achieve the kind of compartmentalization you > > > > are making with respect to all the different Robins in your personal > > > > history. To me it seems there is a Robin1, a Robin2, a Robin3 and a > > > > Robin4 up until 5 maybe, all of them are fairly intact, lets call > > > > Robin1 the Robin who as a TB teacher and just newly enlightened, Robin2 > > > > the Robin of the seminars at FF and whatever happened there, the Robin3 > > > > the one who read Aquinas and became converted to Catholicism, and > > > > Robin4 is the post modern, post catholic Robin. > > > > > > > > There is also Robin0, the one who experimented with LSD (which I never > > > > took). Robin4 tells us that the whole TM trip as a deception, and > > > > illusion, and side by side in the same post Robin1 tells that the > > > > initiation into TM is the most marvelous experience, to which we should > > > > always be committed and faithful. Robin4 tells Emily it is better to > > > > never start TM, and Robin1 tells Vaj, that he doesn't know anything > > > > because he never transcended and urges him to start learning TM. It is > > > > as if all these personas, are overlay-ed upon each other, but there is > > > > no final resolution. > > > > > > > > Maybe it is your purpose to work on your own history, to reach a sense > > > > of resolution between these levels, but to me it seems you resort to > > > > some sort of mysticism instead. > > > > > > > > For Buck I am glad that he is there, in whatever situation he is in, > > > > and makes these things known to us creating transparency. To me he is a > > > > very authentic and honest person. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Share, > > > > > > > > > > My take on all this policing of persons who go outside of the > > > > > spiritual resources sanctioned by the TM Movement is pretty simple. > > > > > Those who devise and enforce these rules (which originated in > > > > > Maharishi himself) are going by their first experience of what TM and > > > > > Maharishi represented: This is The Way; there is no other way that > > > > > compares to the TM-Maharishi way. > > > > > > > > > > TM is defined as the simplest and most natural technique to take one > > > > > to the deepest level of one's very being�"there is no other > > > > > practice which is defined mechanically and objectively such as to > > > > > afford the most efficient way of transcending�"there are no > > > > > competitors here. > > > > > > > > > > The most profound realization one has when one is made a teacher of > > > > > TM by Maharishi, is: this is It. There isn't anything else. And if TM > > > > > cannot do what it says it does�"take one to the level of pure > > > > > consciousness�"then we are selling a product which does not do what > > > > > we say it does. > > > > > > > > > > Any compromise on this policy of guarding "the purity of the > > > > > teaching" will mean the gradual corruption of TM and the dilution of > > > > > Maharishi's Teaching, That is one thing that Maharishi was able to do > > > > > that no other teacher in our lifetime has been able to do: Make us > > > > > experience that he was the very best, the only one, and that what he > > > > > was giving to us was coming directly from reality or God or the > > > > > source of creative intelligence. > > > > > > > > > > Any flexibility, reasonableness, tolerance here just makes no sense > > > > > at all�"unless the people at the top are giving up their claim to > > > > > the exclusiveness of TM as being the most beautiful way to transcend > > > > > that is available anywhere. I refer readers (who have done TM) to > > > > > their first TM experience. How it happened; what the process was > > > > > like; how they experienced the mantra working inside of them. The > > > > > very miraculous innocence�"and profundity�"of this experience > > > > > signifies: No competition will be allowed�"because what could > > > > > produce an experience equal to the one you first had when you started > > > > > TM? > > > > > > > > > > I don't say the policy is justified on the basis of TM being what > > > > > Maharishi made us believe it was, and what our experiences�"at > > > > > least for awhile�"confirmed, because of course I don't think that > > > > > TM and Maharishi have continued to get the grace and support which > > > > > would indicate that reality and God still think they are It. But in > > > > > terms of the truth of one's devotion to one's Master, and Maharishi > > > > > brilliant and unchallengeable authority to persuade us of his > > > > > preeminent position and status in Creation�"and his gift to us in > > > > > the form of his spiritual technology�"what the TMO is doing in > > > > > being careful about vetting persons who meditate in the Dome is not > > > > > only reasonable, it is entirely truthful to their conscience, their > > > > > understanding of the will of Maharishi, and their own sense of what > > > > > is the right thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > This behaviour on the part of those who wield this authority over > > > > > meditators is irreproachable in my estimation. Of course if these > > > > > persons believed that there was another path to God, to the Self, to > > > > > enlightenment, then the enforcement of these policies would be > > > > > subject to moral scrutiny. Inside the context of what they deem as > > > > > truth and the means of not betraying the wishes of their Master, they > > > > > are behaving entirely appropriately�"There simply is no argument to > > > > > be made against them whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:02 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, the Dome Badge, and Religious > > > > > > Practices > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om, waht oh. I may lose my Dome badge, again. I got called > > > > > > > > > in by the chief inspector the other day over my religious > > > > > > > > > activities with non-TM pundits. If it goes badly they'll > > > > > > > > > take my Dome badge away, again. It is still in the balance > > > > > > > > > but it is an interesting thing; they have these > > > > > > > > > anti-religious practices paragraphs in the Dome meditation > > > > > > > > > admission guidelines that are a snare. The paragraphs are > > > > > > > > > part of a business plan to coerce people to use TM movement > > > > > > > > > joytish astrology and yagya services more exclusively by > > > > > > > > > using the dome admission as a punishment. I had an hour long > > > > > > > > > interview in the Peace Palace the other day. Some committee > > > > > > > > > that I'll not see will adjudicate my case. "We have > > > > > > > > > something in our files, tell us about it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do the TM inspectors [had a good laugh typing that] find out > > > > > > > > you are using non-approved "services?" Is there a supergrass in > > > > > > > > FF? And what the hell business do you think it is of theirs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you tell them to stuff their stupid dome badge. Really, > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is the point of all this if this is the sort of "positivity" > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > TM creates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal, how? The 'course office' works it like East German Secret > > > > > > > Police Stasi doing case work. They work it all the time. Search > > > > > > > local papers for leads, the internet, make interviews, hear > > > > > > > conversations in the Domes or meal hall on campus or around, some > > > > > > > people also feel it their duty to tell them things, and then they > > > > > > > squeeze people. They make files and network the files. These > > > > > > > are TM career people who are very good at what they do. These > > > > > > > are apparatchiks who are unquestioningly loyal subordinates. > > > > > > > For them it is about enforcing the guidelines. If they had > > > > > > > better guidelines they would enforce them too. It is a lot like > > > > > > > being confronted with that German officer investigator actor in > > > > > > > Inglorious Bastards. > > > > > > > http://voices.yahoo.com/inglorious-bastards-using-tarantinos-movie-teaching-5616344.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the course office and the system that set it up. > > > > > > > Evidently it is the best we have to work with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow Buck, you put up with a lot in order to be able to meditate in > > > > > > the Dome and operate within the confines of the TM secret police. I > > > > > > had no idea. If any of this had been going on back in 1976-1980 I > > > > > > would have been out of there, real fast. I guess what you gain is > > > > > > worth this kind of terrible, freedom-squelching monitoring? Is this > > > > > > for real? I haven't been paying attention or following any of this > > > > > > at FFL so I am a bit shocked now that I actually read one of these > > > > > > posts. I guess you need the collective group energy that the dome > > > > > > provides when you do your siddhis? You couldn't just sort of hop > > > > > > around in your own home and essentially be flipping these Nazi's a > > > > > > bird at the same time as you burn your dome badge? Jeezuz, I would > > > > > > love to be in Fairfield just to give these assholes a run for their > > > > > > money. I could think of all sorts of fun scenarios because, > > > > > > frankly, I wouldn't give a damn and just the opportunity to raise a > > > > > > couple of hackles on these > > > > guy's backs > > > > > > would be worth the price of admission. Good luck with that. But > > > > > > remember, certain things are only worth so much boot licking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
