This would make an excellent starting point for a RWC and WTS FAQ, in my opinion. It’s the bitch-slap of enlightened insight.
Thanks for taking the time, effort and emotional digging it took to write this. And ditto on wishing RWC the best - think of it as a ‘shirts off bear hug' R. :-). On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Lord Knows <lordknows...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Robin, > > I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the > group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what > ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a > vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely > close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and > declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a > human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice > cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only > concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her > belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly > fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members > of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other > heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with > you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate > pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally > confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great > scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others > over the years. > > Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the > the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value > of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I > would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had > done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give > into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing > judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making > harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened > nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down > through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion > and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a > record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for > your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not > walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who > was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose > ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of > intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small > group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of > your unique revelations as an "enlightened man" was the imperative to > confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. > Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being > used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to > Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and > your mind alone. > > To put into perspective and accurate chronology your "revelation" about the > Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the > the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. > It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed > "enlightenment".It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply > disturbed state that you received this "truth", and not as you have > represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation > came to you, you also believed that your wife was the incarnation of the > devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very > disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual > tradition was satanic. > The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the > Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer > has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the > Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very > strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother > Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to > give just two prominent examples. > Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is abysmal. > A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of lethal errors in > making up prescriptions before he is bounced out of the pharmacy department, > if you were held to the same standard as a practicing spiritual teacher you > would have flunked out a hell of long time ago. Why it is you think anyone > would believe and trust what you have to say about religious or metaphysical > truth is beyond all reckoning. > > I am aware of your subtle way of controlling the context by claiming you > are only just innocently following the prompting of reality itself, this was > your same way of expressing it during your time as the "World Teacher". You > put yourself forward as someone who is uniquely capable to read the very > pulse of reality with no subjectivity interfering with your innocent > discernment of true knowledge. This seems to me self deception in the guise > of humble discernment. This is the same methodology you claim to be following > now, I pray to God the results will not be as destructive as they were in the > past. I am also aware that you have disavowed your "enlightenment" and point > to it as the cause of your destructive behavior, however I do not detect any > significant change in the way you express yourself that would be necessary if > you had truly cured yourself of your "enlightenment". You express yourself in > the same convoluted style as before, loving disputations as much you always > did and boldly pronouncing strange unique metaphysical theories as always. > At times you display a beguilingly disarming friendliness, but underneath is > the same proud spirit. You are still playing the part of the provocateur > extraordinaire, who while throwing in enough seeming kind words of > appreciation here and there to keep someone on the line, will always prevail > over those who you deem are “reactive”. The word you would previously have > used instead of “reactive” is "demonic". You use your gifted intellect as a > battering ram as you always did when confronting the “demonic”. Why have you > made yourself now the great teacher of anti-enlightnment with essentially the > same way of projecting that you have the inside track on what the truth is? > This is really just the same as before, you have only changed the content. > You are now the specially gifted one you is the only person in all history to > reveal the mystical lie at the heart of the Eastern spiritual traditions, > whereas previously you were the "World Teacher" the only person in history to > reveal that enlightenment could be individuated on the level of the > personality. > > You have toned down your language, no more mention of demonic, but the basic > energy of dominating through subtle manipulation is the same. The difference > I see is that now instead of confronting someone as being demonic you point > out that they are defensive and reactive and you always claim the moral high > ground of innocent non reactive objectivity. You then turn your scalding > irony on the miscreant reactive and defensive people needing correction. > This is in essence not unlike what you used to do in the bad old days of the > cult, maybe it could be called RobinLite. > > For you coming and posting on this forum is a major temptation, it is like a > alcoholic going to the bar. > > Robin even if you could have debated with Maharishi and won by conclusively > proving that the whole Vedic tradition is a mystical lie, you would not find > any real peace. You are a prisoner to your mind and it will never give you > any peace, because it seems to me your mind is disturbed. I was a captive to > your mind for years, as we all were, and it is a scary, dangerous, and crazy > place to live. Robin you are the last member of the Robin Carlsen cult. Seek > help and get yourself free. > I will not enter into disputation with you and I will not change a word of > what I have written. In my opinion you are mentally unbalanced and arguing > with you would serve no purpose. > I heard the false rumor that you had committed suicide a few years ago, when > I heard it I was shocked and deeply saddened. In that moment of hearing that > rumor, I realized I still had a real affection for you in spite of > everything. I sincerely hope that you will find your way out of your personal > prison. A number of years ago I requested of a well respected healer to do a > healing for you. In spite of the toughness of what I have written, I > sincerely wish you well. > **************** > A note to readers of FFL who have found Robin to be very intelligent, > erudite, insightful, even at times kind and thoughtful. Yes Robin was all of > that and more when we followed him as well, but at bottom Robin is not > trustworthy, he is not what he seems. > There are people on this forum who have found this out. It seems to me that > the experience of Curtis exemplifies this well. I believe Robin set his > sights on becoming Curtis's friend because he judged Curtis to be one of the > most intelligent, interesting, and influential contributors to this forum. > Robin was over the top in complimenting Curtis about his intelligence, his > humor ect. ect. (not that this was not truly seen and appreciated by Robin) > but it had an ulterior motive. That ulterior motive I believe is always the > same for Robin i.e. to be "The Special One", who is uniquely gifted and able > to delineate, define and articulate the most subtle truth that is knowable > and thereby prove his special status. In doing this he fulfills his desire > for recognition and power. If he could work his mojo on someone as > significant on FFL as Curtis then he could conquer more of the territory > that is FFL.This strategy that he tried to work on Curtis was one that is > recognizable to those of us who were in the cult, Robin used it frequently. > He even had a term for it, he called it compensation. When Robin was in this > mode we knew he was reeling someone in so that at the right moment he would > confront the hell out of them, for their own good of course. He would be as > charming and complimentary as is possible and yet still be believable. I am > not saying that each and every time Robin expresses appreciation of someone > that it is leading up to confrontation, it is not that simplistic. > At a certain point I think Curtis had enough of Robin and quite rightfully > probably thought who the hell is this guy and what gives him the right to > always put himself on the moral high ground and to put me through a grilling. > Finally Curtis confronted Robin with the deception Robin had been carrying on > about not having hit any of his followers when in fact he had. To fill in an > additional point about that incident, the person who Robin hit told me he > thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. > Robin is subtle and very difficult to defeat in argument not because he has > truth on his side but because he is very intelligent and a master of > manipulation. Robin's primary method of manipulation is his insistence that > he is only just innocently following the prompting of reality itself. It > could be called Robin's truth-o -meter. He is constantly laying claim to > being in possession of this magic truth-o-meter and apparently he has a > patent on the damn thing. His favorite tactic is to claim he has the moral > high ground because he is innocently following the truth with his uniquely > sensitive ability to intuit the truth. If you call him on this every time he > does this you will be able to able to effectively take away his most > important tool in his attempt at domination through manipulation. If you > don't get anything else out of this post please just follow this one > essential point when interacting with Robin. One additional point is about > Robin's use of irony, he can not disprove any factual statement through his > use of irony, try as he might. He might well use his biting irony in response > to what I have written, but it doesn't change a single fact of what I have > written. > Finally, what pushed me to post on FFL was Robin's comment to Share in which > he surmised that those close to him felt that they had gained from the > experience of being in his group. I would say I have gained in the sense that > probably anyone would say they have gained from going through a trauma, for > example someone who is a cancer survivor would say that they have been > deepened by facing death and now appreciating the preciousness of life. What > was gained has nothing to do with the cancer itself, it has to do with > finding the grace and wisdom that came with the total experience.This is what > I would say about my experience with Robin. This is my opinion on the > question, others may differ. > > Robin is a fascinating character of that there is no doubt. He has very > interesting, provocative and unique things to say on topics of great > consequence (God,Reality,Good,Evil, Maharishi,Christianity, ect.ect.) enjoy > him as pure entertainment if that is your taste, he sure does stir the pot. > He is seemingly in his dharma as provocateur extraordinaire, I can't think of > anyone who does it better.
