--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > You do realize this is pure conjecture, right, not > > > > established fact? > > > > > > See Jung, Lazlo, Fromme etc. It's part of a painstakingly > > > developed theory from much observation. "Pure" conjecture > > > would mean someone just made it up. > > > > Look, it's as good a conjecture as any other, but there's > > no way to "observe" what it posits (at least as you've > > stated it), no way to test it. It isn't scientific. > > You can observe developmental stages of personal evolution and > there are many ways that healthy development can be arrested > resulting in mental problems in later life. The seperation > from mother is critical in this. The stretch is that the externalisation is a > metaphor for religious life and while it > could never be actually scientific due to the probable > impossibility of time travel, it's a heckuva lot more likely > than the Garden of Eden or Age of Enlightenment as it's a > full expanation of one of our deepest spiritual needs. > > > > > > > The experience is the same (jolly pleasant) but the supporting > > > > > beliefs become unnecessary and then *boy* does it get hard to > > > > > justify yogic flying if you stop believing you're defeating one > > > > > of the fundamental forces of nature. > > > > > > > > Not if you experience benefits from the practice in > > > > daily life. > > > > > > Ha ha! So you think you canlive without the TM belief system > > > and still hop about. Secular yogic flying, I'll believe that > > > when I see it.... > > > > (How could you tell?) > > If it was taught without someone explaining what was going > to happen because they don't teach it without recourse to > the ancient texts that declare that's it's a stage of actual > levitation or that it's an accepted part of physics that > consciousness is the unified field and fundamental forces > can be overruled. Cut the crap and the religion and just > tell people to say the sutra without any loaded ideas and > see what happens. > > > It's entirely possible to hop without believing you're > > "defeating one of the fundamental forces of nature." > > Possible but pointless. > > > The sutra *does something* to/in/with the bodymind. I > > have no idea what or how, but it's something, and for > > many (or at least some) it has a beneficial effect. > > That's reason enough to practice even if you don't > > believe it will ever lead to flying. > > Fair enough. I think what happens is that you hop > deliberately but don't *consciously* move the muscles > in the same way that you don't consciously move them > when you walk. The power of suggestion gained from the > teaching method is enough to switch off credulity with > a bit of practise.
A bigger question is whether it's actually fair to teach people they are going to hop as a prelude to levitating? Folie a deux, that's what I think the whole yogic flying "phenomenon" is - a shared delusion.
