--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Ah, I see at least one person had the balls to answer
> Shemp's questions.  :-)
> 
> I'll make it two -- No Fuckin' Way would I have had
> anything to do with such an organization.




Sadly, I would have ran -- not walked -- away from such an 
organisation.  

And I would have been the loser because TM -- which I've done pretty 
much twice a day for the past 32 years -- has done a world of good 
for me.



> 
> --- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Shremp, your question about starting meditation resonates with 
me. 
> > I too started in the era you mention - in October 1970 - and I 
> > started because Bevan Morris indicated to my girlfriend and 
myself 
> > that not only does one get an expanded consciousness by 
meditating 
> > but that one also enjoys listening to records more! As a 
musician 
> > that made me pay attention.
> > 
> > Now 
> > he was right on both counts, but what he didn't tell us was that 
> > there was an organisation to promote TM that was paranoid and 
> > defensive about a whole bunch of stuff. Better not to mention 
The 
> > Beatles, hippies, drugs, other forms of meditation, religions 
etc  
> > And there were pictures of an elderly Indian swami about, but 
not 
> > 1 westerner knew of a word the man had ever said! Yet the chant 
of 
> > greeting was 'Jai Guru Dev'. How can you wish victory to a man 
you 
> > know nothing about?
> > 
> > TM should be taught by people with a genuine understanding of 
what 
> > meditation is about & an ability to deal with sincere questions 
> > without paranoia, defensiveness and absurd sales hype.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], Peter 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but
> > > > > it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO
> > > > > when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially
> > > > > perceived as "rational" movement discourse!
> > > > 
> > > > Does it speak volumes about the present state of
> > > > the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to
> > > > perceive the TMO?
> > > > 
> > > > I knew this was satire after reading the title.
> > > 
> > > Question for Judy:
> > > 
> > > I believe that you started TM around the time I did: 
early '70s.
> > > 
> > > Would you have started TM at that time if:
> > > 
> > > 1) you were presented at your intro lecture with a photograph 
of
> > > a guy sitting on one half of a scale being weighed in gold?
> > > 
> > > 2) If the lecturer told you that peace and harmony in the 
world 
> > > was contingent upon whether the entrance to your home was in 
an 
> > > easterly direction?
> > > 
> > > 3) that democracy be damned?
> > > 
> > > 4) that all evil in the world is caused by the United States 
> > > (actually, strike that question, you would have answered "yes" 
> > > that one!).
> > > 
> > > 5) that, on the way out of the intro lecture, could you please 
> > > stop off in our little kiosk and buy some Maharishi Honey for 
> > > about $50.00 a pound?
> > > 
> > > 6) ...and pay for the honey with Raam's?
> > > 
> > > 7) ...and consider investing your hard-earned money in a 
buying 
> > > one of our $600 billion agriculture bonds?





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