On 11/10/2012 10:48 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: >> I recently spoke with a friend who is a tenured professor of >> psychology about cult leaders and whether or the "control >> personality" can be cured. He is not sure it can be. > Narcissistic Personality Disorder is incredibly difficult > to treat, and pretty much impossible to self-treat. The > problem is that the person with NPD considers literally > everyone he encounters an opportunity to reinforce his > self-importance and "specialness," and will therefore > LIE to them, often unconsciously, because the only thing > that matters to him is that someone is continuing to > focus on him. I have known therapists who have given up > on *ever* attempting to try to treat people with NPD, > because it just isn't worth the time, effort, and > heartbreak. You think that the patient has made some > progress, and then you find out that it's just another > layer of the onion, and that everything he's been > telling you for the last few months has been a lie, > merely calculated to "keep you playing the game." > This is my perception of what Robin Carlsen is doing > on this forum. > > The thing I find most difficult to believe in all of > this mess is that anyone here truly believes that > Robin is in any way different today than he was back > then. I don't see that. What I see is the exact same > narcissistic acting out, and the exact same lack of > empathy and lack of caring. The only thing important > to him -- then or now -- seems to be trying to get > other people to believe *his* version of the "Robin > story." > > To believe that Robin has changed, one has to believe > Robin. I have seen nothing on this forum that convinces > me he has *ever* made a truthful statement. It's all > been playing the narcissist's game, and truth is > quite irrelevant to that game. > > The people I feel sorriest for are not those mistreated > by Robin in the past but those who have fallen for his > act in the present.
The other thing is we're not trying to DIAGNOSE here. We're looking at a PROFILE of an archetype or how someone likes to present themselves. Hell they could be an actor putting us all on but I doubt it. It would be interesting to know what happens to a person as they grow up that makes them try to control others. It's like a gang leader or bullying instinct. I saw a lot of these back in the "fabulous 60s" and made enemies of them because I wouldn't fall for their shit. ;-)
