I guess - doesn't seem to have had a helluva lot of practical applications in real life - after 37 years now of meditation of all kinds and channeling and rubbing elbows with more than a few of the kind of folks like this BJ person who is doing all sorts of cosmic activations I feel its best to do what give good practical applications in life - but all of that is a point of view - some folks feel that spending an entire Sunday watching guys in helmets slam each other around whilst the watchers eat chicken wings and chug booze is a mighty satisfying way to spend a day - all the esoteric stuff has its place and some enjoy it - I wonder how many of these practitioners would be practicing their arts if they were independently wealthy and didn't need to ply their esoteric trade to make ends meet - I have known a bunch of them - Santa Fe used to be filled with them
________________________________ From: PaliGap <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters, Angels and Stuff So you got to chill out with the ascended masters after just a few years of TM? Cool! I wonder what this chap would have given for a little rap with the Archangel Raphael? (Who he? Ed.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stylites --- In [email protected], "mjackson74" <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > So here are my thoughts on Ascended Masters, angels, Archangels and avatars > here on earth. > > When I was at the tail end of my time at MIU, a former TM teacher named Bob > Fickes came to Fairfield and was teaching channeling classes and doing > private readings. Feeling it might be of some value, I had a reading and most > of it was over my head, being oriented in a very esoteric fashion. > > It was my first introduction to channeling. Through one thing and another, I > decided to try channeling myself – at first nothing happened then I had an > experience with the Archangel Raphael – the energy was unbelievably blissful, > and I continued to "channel" just to feel the energy and for no other reason. > > After a couple friends found out I was channeling they asked me to do > readings for them. At first I refused, then I gave in. One thing led to > another and I felt that, the energy being what it was deep and blissful most > of the time, and the information coming through seemed pretty credible on a > personal level, that it was my calling to channel the Ascended Masters, > angels and Archangels. > > I never, in 25 years of channeling made very much money at it, but I did it > anyway. So after 25 years of channeling, here are my thoughts and beliefs on > these matters. > > In terms of Energy, I have enjoyed much of the experiences I have had. > Feedback from those who have come to me for readings have been mostly > positive. Having done sessions for friends, I have seen that sometimes the > information is strikingly accurate, and sometimes not accurate at all. > > A lot of time the channel will excuse this by saying that as the karmic > energy or circumstances change and as we make different choices, the events > that may manifest will change accordingly. I won't argue with that, it may be > true. > > There is also the phenomenon of mixing, meaning that the mind and ego of the > channel mixes some of its own beliefs into the energy of the Masters as it > comes through as information and that alters the particulars of the > information. > > On a personal note over the years I found that I still liked the experience > of channeling for the energy. It was a way of experiencing a really expanded > Divine Essence. > > And the real effect for the person or people (in the case of a group > channeling) was to re-connect them more to their own Divine Self more fully > through the Energy connection of what we call the Ascended Masters, angels > and Archangels. > > This may be one of the reasons that I never made that much money because I > foind over the years that people seem to be drawn to those channels that > channel lots and lots of information. > > There are all kinds of channels. Some like myself channel a wide variety of > Beings of Light – Mother Mary, Kwan Yin, Jesus, Buddha, the various > Archangels like Michael and Raphael, various angels, Krishna and Shiva and so > on. > > Some seem to specialize and just channel one or two Beings like a channel for > the Archangel Michael or Maitreya – yep there have been those who channel > Maitreya. > > When I started channeling there weren't that many people who were doing it, > but the number of channels has exploded – there are all kinds of channels > these days and most of them channel lots and lots of information. Some of it > seems trivial like the channels to tell us about the yetis and such things as > that. > > Some are all about the Galactics (meaning the extra-terrestrials) who are > going to come down and save us all with their technology and greater > knowledge. Some are the blessings and knowledge coming from the Archangels. > Some of the info has to do with what we should be doing now, how to open the > chakras, or what kind of energy is coming up collectively to be healed. > > A lot of it has been all about the past what all happened in Atlantis, what > all happened in Lemuria or other ancient civilizations that have left no > record that archaeologists have found. And a lot of the info is all about > what all is going to happen when the earth goes into "ascension". > > A heck of a lot of it is oriented around what is gonna happen. I am not > saying any of this is bad, and I suppose that if people like it, if it makes > them feel good then what's the harm? > > You might spend the same amount of time watching football or sitting around > drinking liquor with your friends – the channeled stuff doesn't seem any more > harmful than that. > > But after 25 years it seems like a lot of people are waiting for the Masters > to come do us some good. As I said, a lot of the info revolves around what is > gone happen and all the great things that are coming. > > Nothing wrong with being positive and if people like to channel or get > readings, participate in seminars or workshops or group healings because they > make them feel good and maybe even help them make some progress in life, all > the better. > > But I must say as a channel myself, I have gotten tired of listening to how > great things are gonna be when some fabulous alignment of the planets happens > or when some real shore nuff good esoteric thing that is happening in the > Cosmos gets here on earth and so on. If the Masters really exist, I would > like to know why they haven't been or greater assistance to us here on earth? > > According to much of what is being channeled we are all supposedly Masters in > our own right and have taken incarnation at this time to help clear the earth > of all the crappy karma it is currently dealing with through dealing with our > own ancestral karma of the body, thereby purifying the family karma and by > extension the ethnic and national karma of our families. > > Some say that since humans created the karma we have to deal with it > ourselves which I can understand but it seems to me the Masters are a little > too hands off. How many of us who are parents in this lifetime would stand by > and watch our kids screw up when we could be of material assistance to help > them out? > > Many would say that since it is our karma, the Masters cannot interfere, but > is that credible? If anyone who is a parent sees their children suffering, do > you stand by and allow them to take care of themselves? If your child falls > down and scrapes their leg and cries do you just stand there and tell them > "You know where the Neosporin and the band aids are." > > No, any decent parent goes and assists the child. The same holds true when a > parent sees a child who is going to hurt themselves in some way – yeah I know > the idea that experience teaches best and all that, but how does this hands > off experience square with the idea that we have a loving Mother/Father God > who along with their manifestations (the angels, Archangels and Ascended > Masters) take care of us and help us all we need? > > In fact it does not square. If God were really there with this grand divine > plan to enlighten the earth, it seems to me it would be more helpful, more > intelligently designed. > > We have been giving the Ascended Masters a free pass in a number of ways, the > first being the idea that they are so enlightened, so beyond human experience > that they are not really cognizant of what we experience here on earth, This > only makes sense if we believe that we are an experiment the Masters check on > from time to time but are totally aloof from in their hearts. (Which I don't > believe) > > Knowing the Energy of angels as I do I find this to be complete baloney. If > it were true, channeling would not exist on the earth. What good would it do > to channel the energy of a Being that could not comprehend the things we > experience here on earth? In fact the Masters if they do exist understand > completely what we experience here – how else can they give us the advice > that comes through channels? > > We also give them a free pass by believing that the experiences we have are > karma, our creation and we have to work it out for ourselves – still doesn't > cut it as far as I am concerned due to the belief that the Father, can and > should give greater assistance. Why have they not come to earth in a tangible > form to help alleviate the suffering and give clearer guidance to us instead > of allowing us to flounder half or three quarters blind all the time? > > The real question becomes do the Ascended Masters, Archangels and angels have > an existence that is not dependent on the collective awareness of humanity? > > I believe that Buddha, Jesus, Zoroaster, Confucius and Lao Tzu were actual > historical personages who lived on earth and who may have had such a > connection to the Universal Mind such that they appeared as Masters to > everyone else. > > If we look back in history the very first mention of Divine Beings is from > Zoroaster who believed that the Principle of God manifests as 7 Divine beings > known as Amesha Spentas who were in charge of certain aspects of God's > creation although some scholars believe that Zoroaster understood them to be > aspects of God rather than as separate beings created by God. Many scholars > believe that belief in the Amesa Spentas is the origin of the Hebrew belief > in Archangels which they acquired during their time of captivity in Babylon. > > Thus the 7 archangels began as aspects of God in Zoroastrianism and became > translated by the Jews (particularly during the Rabinnic period), Muslims and > later Christians as Archangels. Certain Christian writers especially one > known as Pseudo-Dionysus in the 5th Century made a pretty detailed list of > the hierarchies of angels and Archangels. > > The Ascended Masters other than Confuscious, Lao Tsu, Buddha and Jesus (and > some of the Gods and Goddesses from history that are now considered Masters) > were not known until the late 1890's when Helena Balvatsky and Alice Bailey > and others began to write and speak about them. > > It began with Blavatsky's assertion that her teachers had been flesh and > blood humans who were Mahatmas or great souls, one of whom she said was El > Morya. Annie Besant, C.W. Leadbeater and others of the Theosophical Society > expanded the idea of and list of Masters. This seminal work was expanded > further by Edna and Guy Ballard, Baird Spaulding and later Elizabeth and Mark > Prophet and others in the 1930's and 40's, usually with a monetary and egoic > motive behind the teachings. > > My question is: if these Masters had and have an existence independent of the > human race and human consciousness and have been associated with mankind > since the beginning of earth, where were they till the 1860's which is when > Blavatsky claimed they were teaching her? If they have been around all this > time why do we have no records of them from any ancient or relatively recent > civilizations and please don't tell me it is because they chose to hide their > existence till the Theosophical society was formed. > > I cannot deny the Energy I feel when I channel the Masters and Archangels > particularly Buddha. Buddha for me is the essence of the Unmanifest made > manifest, his Energy is the Essence of Pure Awareness. > > I can believe that the Ascended Masters and Archangels are somehow tied to > the collective consciousness of humanity, but I cannot answer the question of > whether or not they existed before humans did. I am willing to concede that > since the Masters and Archangels are expressions of certain Archetypal > energy, that energy would possibly have existed before humanity ever existed. > > The next question is how should humans feel about and interact with the > energies of these Beings. I believe the most empowering way of interaction is > to think of them as aspects of our own Infinite Being, and channeling is a > means of accessing various aspects of our Infinite Being. > > I admit I like the perspective of Richard Bartlett who teaches Matrix > Energetics. He says he has unseen guides and Masters who give him guidance > and information and he listens to them and acts on what they tell him – at > the same time he says that he hallucinates them. That is his term for the > idea that we all are aspects of consciousness, and that we hallucinate or > self create these aspects of our own Divine Being in order to have a way and > a reason to access our power and believe in what we are dong and experiencing > when it is an experience beyond what we are taught in school and church. > > I like his belief. So I don't know the answer to any of this stuff. I am just > trying to live in this body and make some sense of the world every day. As to > the Ascended Masters and the idea that some are slipping around here doing > all sorts of great things in a hidden or unseen way, what the hell for? > People can say anything, but for me I only know that when I hear see or read > about some great thing that is gonna take place and how the Masters are doing > all this great stuff, > > I am willing to believe it, willing mind you, and I will believe it when I > see it, but I am not holding my breath. >
